posted Sun, 12/13/2020 - 10:58
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-4 Bone growth cycle. No supression if it's possible.
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My goal would be to grow bones and not fuck my whole endocrine system up since i am 19yo
Wdyt about this stack
-Hgh 7.5 IU
-Igf Lfr3 50-100mcg
-K2 100mg+
-High Carbs up for keeping insulin up
-2500+ kcal
-Keep anabolic/mtor pathway open constantly
-Arimidex 0.25mg E3D
Should be enough for the whole year for getting my wrists from 5.5inch to 6.5 or 7 inchs ? 5.5 is twinktier since im 6'1 ft tall so i gotta do smth about them
I also heard that DSIP+examestane+DHT is like basically blasting T without any surpression at all. Somebody can confirm this?
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RustyhookerThis dude was MASTER of trolling. Hahaha
AnonLmao well that got stupid, quick.
trash300"and not fuck my whole endocrine"
alright, then run your HGH , IGF1, ADEX, shit and write us how u feel after 4weeks, straight out the hospital. ;)
But I think you can't cause you have already too big hands then.
hahaha, damn you're so dumb, I send u a sticker with "DUMBASS MOFO" written on it, stick it on ya head
mauiewow, this is some real stupid shit right here. Why would you ruin your health this early...?!
I’ll keep it short and sweet
YOU’RE 19 YEARS OLD. Go study and get some pussy or something more productive.. -16 goodnight.
Smfh...
DornDovaLmao wdyt about eric kanevsky(22yo) stack tho
3000mg test e
700mg test prop
350mg mast e
350mg tren a
10iu gh/day
1ml armidex
He's "the most optimal person" as he claims or nah ? Jfl
trash300Even with this cycle he can stay fertile! Except he gets a heart attack before he cums.
150 HMG EOD
300 HCG ED
100 Proviron 2xED
trash300Nobody, really NOBODY, run 3-4 g Test per week, the usual dose of Test in the Pro sector is 1.5-2.25g, more makes no sense, just sides
did we say he was smart? or did we say he has above room temp IQ? hes just as big of and idiot and a doucebag as you are
Wym “the most optimal person”, like legit idk what you’re talking about
DornDovaIt's some crazy nuthead who believe he is the shit just bcs he is taking 7kg of juice ED at 22yo lmao
I brought him up cus ppl here think my stack is bad so i was curious what they think about that guy
You should be listening to the advice myself and others have given you, not coming out with crap like this. You are impressing no one at all.
DornDovaYea dude....compelling arguments with mountains of evidence and sources and an extremely clear point
I asked about a thing and got other adviced... i mean u think i would be thinking of hgh if i didnt knew about basics to begin with?
Still didnt get why my stack is bad besides the bold claims like "endocrine supression" and "it is bad bruh dont take it" when hgh is literally prescribed to teens and have countless of studies proven otherwise
Cite your sources of GH being given to completely normal teens, go ahead I’ll wait. Don’t give me growth hormone deficient people, normal people like yourself.
Molinin302Calling him normal may be a stretch...
DornDovaSure dude right here
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5754004/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3117584/
Also jfl if u think doctors will not prescribe hgh to some 5' 13 yo just bcs he dont have hormone deficiency. Its happening quite often
You need to add overall size and bodyweight by eating heavy and lifting heavy in the basic barbell movements and your wrists will naturally get thicker as your forearm's become stronger. I remember when I was very skinny and I could literally connect the end of my middle finger and thumb around them - now they feel tight even in extra large tops. Get stronger in bench, curls, deads, overhead presses and it will come. Never rely on things like pussy boy wrist wraps for pressing either, I've never used them and they will make your wrists weaker. Try not to use straps too on deads, or at least not during the warm-up.
AnonI can still touch the tip of my thumb to the tip of my middle finger around the smallest part of my wrist. But I can also palm a basketball with my big hands.
You know, I just did it too. Lmao I was just afraid to admit it. Barely on my left one though. I also can also palm a basketball my hands are kind of big. Now I don’t feel so bad. Those watches you have to slide over your hand are always kind of loose on me because they still have to be big enough to slide over my hand, but my wrists are skinny AF. I always used to injure them when I was a teenager lifting weights, I have to have good wrist form while lifting.
I've herd some dribble in my time.. But jesus lol. Go see cartman from southpark, eat some candy n give your head a wobble.
Your not going to increase your wrist size bud.
Just take what nature gave you and get what you can out of it...
Btw your way to young to be on this forum.
Go hang out at the Skating Rink or something.
DornDovaWrist size are not my main focus tho im talking about the whole umbrella here
Btw why ur so against hgh in puberty since it is literally prescribed to short teencels ? Also no, they are not deficient either...
Tbh at this point the way to get into this forum should be when someone gets their first grey ball hair
AnonUhh Sam, kids don't do that anymore..
Tiktok. That's where they hangout
AnonThat's a sad truth.
He wants wrist like this
Real life Popeye right there.
I used to love watching popeye when i was younger. Kids these days have no idea about the
spinach can
AnonYou're 19 years old and 6ft 1in tall. Just be natty and enjoy your youth man. If you think you have a health issue then see a real doctor. Stay away from HGH and steroids unless they are prescribed by a real doctor.
And use condoms.
Mad dog have you covered little bro. When I was 16-20 I was extremely skinny, 0 muscle and if anyone was asked they probably would have agreed and said I had a thin bone structure. The only place with any substantial muscle was my right wrist..
Now I’m in my early 30’s everyone tells me I’m lucky because I’m ‘broad’ or ‘I’ve got the frame to carry muscle’.
What I’m saying is most of us have the ability to improve simply by dieting and working out, add some muscle and you’ll look broader, it’s a slow process and a tough one but you’ll feel good both mentally and physically. Its a tough with social media projecting body issues onto young 19 year old men but be resilient, bulk up and do some wrist curls or up you wanking game.
This is the stupidest shit I’ve read on here in a while, congratulations. Do you understand that bone thickening is something that happens due to all the factors of bodybuilding/powerlifting/strongman. The lifting and the elevated hormones from gear increase your bone density, and from there you might see GH thicken your wrist after about 10 years of blasting gear and GH along side one another. Like you taking drugs like that will probably just fuck up your blood sugar. Also look at any fucking guy, you never see someone go from a men’s physique type build to a strong man, everyone has some genetic predisposition for their joint size, if you don’t have it you don’t have it.
Edit: Fuck I am so pissed I came back to add to this, you realize GH increases blood sugar, and your plan is to eat a ton of carbs to keep up insulin? Enjoy your diabetes fuuuuuuck
DornDovaStill what's wrong with DSIP + DHT bruh
By that stack this is how it's meant to be taken. Not gonna nlas 7.5ius for whole year jfl
7.5iu's of GH daily.
100mcg of IGF-1 LR3.
50mg of DHT
100iu of HCG ED.
cycle for 12 weeks on 6 weeks off with a pct in-between. Begin again for a second 12 weeks, PCT again, than blast 5iu's of GH daily until happy with results
Raising IGF-1 would also upregulate IGFBP3 to counter the abnormal rise in growth factors. IGF-1 lr3 or DES counters the IGFBP's but it isn't enough on its own so this is why you need hgh for this as well both IGF-1 and GH need to be taken exogenously at high dosages to induce even a little bit of growth. But sure dude just completly avoid further evidence and proof that the Growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) are fundamental in skeletal growth during puberty. Sure it is predestinated to be theory but let's not completely neglect gains caused by prescripted hgh from puberty teens regarding short stature (not all of them were deficient)
Also keeping insulin up is a no brainer since is vital for the activation of mTOR/pi3k/ATK pathways lowering caloric intake will also decrease both insulin and leptin within the body, leptin is the hormone that is released when you have eaten past the point of satiation.
insulin will be released when you consume food, your metabolism with increase, in turn producing t3 and t4, both these thyroid hormones will convert somatropin into IGF-1, IGF-1 and insulin will then stimulate the mTOR1-2/pi3k/ATK pathways, in turn inducing hyperplasia, cell proliferation, hypertrophy and increased level of protein synthesis. Basically through the activation of these pathways, your body will be in a constant state of anabolism.
Exogenous forms of either GH or IGF-1 is enough to enhance the mTOR/pi3k pathways bro in combination with constant insulin secretion and high IGF-1, and GH levels, you will experience growth like none other. That's the science behind "keep insulin high' dude.
All those compound movements u listen all raise gh,igf,androgens levels which are responsable for the growth effect
Tbh diabetes risk is the only thing keeping me away frm this shit
I was thinking if i cycle a keto and taking an insulin mimic like berberine/metformin should help...
Insulin is an activator of AKT and Metformin activates AMPK. If you balance AKT and AMPK naturally you won't get diabetes. So with this in mind i think berberine should be enough.. problem is that is gonna inhib igf levels. Bruh btw i heard horror stories happening at crazy dosages like +7.5 IU(also that is fixed taking insuli but i'll be dropping to 5iu anyway
Okay you have your theory, you are 19 and think that since you watch More Plates More Dates YouTube channel you’ll avoid any and all symptoms. So here are my questions then to your theory, what’s your fasted blood sugar? You might not even need high carbs if your blood sugar is already high without the GH, but your solution is to take Metformin (or Berberine but trust me that doesn’t do shit to GH) and that has been linked to cancer (indirectly) recently. You want proof, Metformin has been recalled for a large portion of the market because it has been linked to cancer due to a part of its formulation, google it. Taking a step back, the IGF countering GH, what do you mean by that? Because if your stating that it’ll induce hyperplasia you’re right but you won’t induce the same level of growth seen during puberty due to the lack of so called satellite cells, the ones that turn into the muscle cells as I assume you’re intending, those aren’t endless, puberty gets most of them to change to muscle cells. But just like puberty it takes longer than 12 weeks, since puberty is a process of years, unless you’re in acromegaly a patient, which is not good to be. Also during puberty your test levels as a male are usually around 1200-1600, which is like taking 250mg of test essentially, so once again to my point, you aren’t going to get the same result unless you did a whole stack. Take a blood test then do you cycle then report back to my with your blood test and wrist size.
DornDovaI'm not watching that dude on youtube tbh i dont agree with many things he says either one of them being him promoting that piece or crap called mk-677 which is fucking bullshit and nothing but a big cope. MK677 being a GHRH which is a Ghrelin receptor agonist as well as a GH secretagogue, will mean you'd be forcing your pancreas to secrete Insulin even when GH is being secreted by the pituitary. That's dangerous because it's abnormal.
Also i agree checking the p-glucose regularly should be a no brainer to not get over the optimal range but 7.5 IU following 5 IU literally nobody got diabetes from these dosages unless going full retarded over the counter. But yeah i agree with you that metformim reward-risk isnt worth it. Thats why i choose berberine and also berberine is cheap and works ! For 7.5 IUs it is perfect
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6434235/
But sure.. it has its sides for example inhibition on B-vitamins so load on those. But for lowering blood sugar im going to say it is even more legit than metformim at some points for example Berberine can inhibit mTOR and activate AMPK at the same time whilst Metformin alone cannot. But it shouldnt be taken everyday since it can inhib igf-1 also which is the reason i am doing this. But if we check blood sugar regularly and taking berberine when needed and cycling keto i say it is enough.
Okay so,
supplementing with both HGH and IGF-1 is far more effective than HGH supplementation alone. HGH therapy increases your body's levels of IGF-1. It's not the IGF-1 alone that promotes the bone growth but in tandem supplementing both will lead to the greatest chances of success. IGF-1 injections alone won't promote bone growth without the presence of either extremely ample amounts of HGH in the body, or injecting exogenous HGH.
IGF-1 does not cause bone growth as it definitely does amplify the efficacy when sufficient amount of HGH is present. However IGF-1 supplementation alone will not promote bone growth.
So... this said:
Injecting IGF1-LR3 only: No bone growth, only healing benefits.
Injecting HGH alone: Possibility for some bone growth along with the healing properties IGF1-LR3 also possesses.
But if you put both of them into play at high doses: Significantly increased possibility for bone growth along with everything mentioned above.
But again...only possible for teens,young adults
Muscle mass is always preceded by an increase in satellite cells that occurs through cell divison, IGF-1 has a profound effect on this and essentially speeds up the profileration process that occurs. The actual muscle tissue itself regulates up and down a lot depending on calorie intake/exercise but the satellite cells themselves stick around for a very long time, which is why muscle memory exists.
Therefore: igf lr3= more satellite cells = more signaling for MPS(Muscle protein synthesis)
Also not everyone test is 1200-1600 during teenage years. I am an example since my test levels were like 450-500 last time i did bloodwork and im still growing since i am a late bloomer like my father,brother were as well
RustyhookerNope. That idea is a wreck.
I wonder why we don't have a bone growth section in the forums. Or do we??? I better search
We have the old fuck club. It’s where we discuss or Boner pills and geritol.
Nohomo
RustyhookerAnd lived long enough to see a power troll forum. Gahaha
Don't forget Greg's incontinence!
But we have commercials about these machines that wisk it away at night. No pad necessary
Molinin302You're 6'1" and 154lbs and 19yo? C'mon, dont mess with yourself, go get a Philly cheesesteak.
420? Time to fire one up and then go have 2 Philly cheesesteaks! I’d plus up but then it wouldn’t be 420.
Molinin302Lol, I thought the same thing bro. I dont smoke it, but I could easily polish off two cheesesteaks. (Hence my ab struggles)
I hear that. I’m about to put a colliflower crust veggie pizza in the oven, but I just don’t know if that’s going to get the job done for my stomach:)
Molinin302I have no problem putting on weight, I stay on the leaner side, 15%ish lately, but yeah. I like food way too much lol. If I get around to doing an old man show it'd be different. Food is just too good. And my wife makes a mean meatball.
The min age is 25, like the maddoggy said you will be banned. I doubt you are going to be able to make any noticeable gains on them wrists. Just make the most of what genetics gave you.
You are wanting to grow your wrists? Good luck, mine are smaller than any girlfriend I’ve ever had no matter how large I got. I grew better from age 19 to 20 just working out and using protein powder and creatine than at any point in my life. I gained 40 pounds natural. You looking to gain 100 or something while cooking your endocrine system? What I can confirm is you’ll be banned. I can’t fix stupid, but for your own good I wouldn’t touch shit till your 28 to 29.
DornDovaAlready packed some meat myself but i ended up to the conclusion that not blasting androgens,hgh during puberty is a waste. Also explain how hgh and igf are gonna cook my hpta ? Literally hgh is prescribed for short stature teens lmao
I dont wanna blast roids bro in aware of the effects...but whats wrong with hgh
It isn’t going to do much for you and your natural levels should be optimal now. For instance mine tested 4 times normal when I was 28. Probably just a spike, but no need for me to mess with a good thing. Get blood work done if yours is low and your pituitary gland is not functioning then perhaps you are a candidate for HGH therapy. It well be expensive. But since you are 6’1” I doubt you are deficient. And it’s long term use can lead to diabetes. I really wouldn’t recommend it to anyone under 35 unless they are trying to heal an injury or are going to step on stage. After a certain age I would recommend it to almost everyone.