posted Wed, 01/18/2012 - 14:42
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Anavar/Winny Cycle NO TEST
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what does everyone think.....
I dont want to use test as i cant use needles in my current situation.
50 mg winny every day
50 mg var every day
Im not expecting huge gains, but i do want to get shredded(my diet is perfect )
I also have T3 on hand but im still debating if i should use it since i heard that after stopping t3 you get rebound.
For post cycle i have Nolvadex, and Arimadex, and i also have provirons. i just need help putting it all together if anyone would be so kind.
Thanks so much for any advice.
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Bro, those dosages are far to low. If you are not ready for needles you are not ready for steroids.
You expect to get shredded in 6 weeks on Winny and Var? Hah! It's a waste of money bro! Trust me. Why? A year ago I ran Anavar and Winny at the same dosages. It leaned me out a bit but that was it. After I came off the Winny, a lot of the dryness it gives vanished and for the price it was not worth it. You can do so much more on Testosterone E 500mg a week for 15 weeks and running Winny the last 5 weeks to dry up your gains and lean you out. Don't even think of running T3 unless you are running Testosterone because that will eat away at not only your fat but muscle.
Orals have there place for bridging, jumpstarting, and polishing. Other than that they shouldn't be used because of liver issues. Why run an oral for 6 - 8 weeks and cycle off when you can run an injectable for as long as you want with no ill health effects.
unlimitedlisten to these bros..they know whats up
Okay 2 orals are 100% out of the question.
Can't I use 1 oral and not fuxk my balls up.
Would provirons on cycle help?
Is my cycle a lost cause?
My 1st response is NO NO NO!
100mg of orals. That's a huge amount of ongoing liver damage.
T3 . . . stay away unless you are prepared to be on tyroid medication for the rest of your life. Well, are you?
In your early 20s, your natty test is really high. "TEST is Best", and you have a lot of the very best stuff on earth! Hit the squat rack hard, watch it surge, and enjoy the ride. You'll feel incredible!
A lot of the bros responding here WISH they still had what nature is gifting you still. They ALL would not even be thinking about AAS if that were the case.
The very best advice is flush it. I know you probably won't, but you're a fool if you don't flush the T3 at least, and the winny is close behind.
Finally, you are worried about getting caught? Do you love this woman? If you do, just level, and deal with the drama. If you don't, then why the hell do you give a damn what she thinks about you?
If your woman loves and respects you, she'll listen, and voice her concerns, and trust your judgment.
AnonI would bet my liver you diet is not "perfect"
You'll probably need it! might be a good bet to make
Okay nothing is perfect but i consider myself to be strict on my diet.
Im not in the mood to post it all but
6 meals a day not including my 1 post workout shake.
My breakfast is 12 eggwhites(liquid) Cup brown rice.
Meals thruout the day is either 8-10 oz lean red meat or chicken. with cup of brwon rice.
And before i goto sleep 12 liquid egg whites again.
No dairy. No wheat,
Admit thats not a bad diet.
If you have a vagina run oral only? I don't know maybe you do...
But definitely don't run T3 or oral only cycles if you're a guy. There's so many reasons why you want to run test only cycle first it's not even funny. One of the main ones is it is the base steroid for all cycles. You need to see how you react to it. Also you will probably keep 1lb if you're lucky from oral cycle only where as you can gain like 10-20lbs after pct with ONLY TEST.
is it easy to hide it from your spouse. because it seems impossible, which is why orals seem like my only way.
or you could say your going to start a b12 vitamine shot regimen ;o
Anonand what if she wants them too.. what's he gonna say then...
its a guy thing? lol
otherwise just be truthful tell her that she wont regret it.
Anonface in hand omg.. just talk to her.. sit down with her and watch bigger faster stronger or something with her.. send her here to talk to someone... don't hide it from here man if she isn't a complete moron she'll know something is up.
I wish it was that easy. and we did see bigger faster stronger together lol....
Shit, So now i have a gym bag of gear and im confused as hell.
Alright i gotta figure something out.
Hrdbdygrrrl... you never in your life did an oral only cycle?
Anonhoney, I am a woman... I don't have to worry about shutting down the htpa axis I don't make enough natty test that way .and quite frankly I have only run one cycle as oral only .. and all the rest have been stacks of some sort.. . If I could give you the easy way out I would. but you will be so disappointed with running an oral only cycle and anavar is so expensive..
AnonYou can't actually shut down the axis, per se.
However, you can break it if you harm and confuse it enough which will cause your body to reprimand you in return! NASTY NASTY NASTY things. The HPA deals with every damn function your body has, and even overlaps with the nervous system itself. Fuck this up and you mine as well go play some russian roulette
other than that, I would listen to this lady. She speaks from experience and a pretty decent knowledge base too!! ;)
Oh, and time to MAN UP
Not much more advice but simply; listen to your elders they are not trying to flame you.. rather, steer you in the healthy direction.
AnonI know joose just less time consuming to say shut down and has more shock value than broken..;-)
AnonYes ma'am
I did feel he was a little too hardcore for me.
What can I do if I can't pin. I'm not scared of needles , I just can't have them in my house.
AnonFor the record, just because he works at a gym as a personal trainer and used to compete does NOT necessarily mean he knows what he's talking about.
Example: 29 year old acquaintance, 5'9, 245lbs ripped. Competes regularly. Works at very large gym chain here as a personal trainer. Looking at him you would think he knows what he's talking about when it comes to AAS..
I bought my first tren/test/mast blend from him, during the transaction he asked how I planned on running it..
I told him my plans.
In our conversation he said that PCT was unnecessary with this blend.
He was serious.
Come to find out he's never stopped for PCT or a break since he started AAS a few years ago. He is ALWAYS running SOMETHING.
Meanwhile the crows circle overhead..
Food for thought.
I said I dont know, and I needed help. And I asked for advice.
So if both orals at once are too much stress for my liver. Which would you recomend.
Maby just a solo var cycle. Or maby lower the dose?
Right now I have var and winny on hand , and t3, and proviron.
I want to run somthing!
Anonneither.. I cannot in good conscience recommend an oral only cycle considering the ramifications and what they do to your system. There is a very good medical reason why testosterone is considered the basis for all cycles.. there's no way you can pin??
AnonLet me know how long the transplant list is because when your done your going to need a new liver. In addition to the therapy your going to need when you crash in about two or three weeks after you start this because your system shut down and you feel like total crap and don't make it to the gym to work out .. Oh, but you know everything so go right ahead and please post some pics while your at it so you can show us how wrong we are..
I understand anytime someone posts things on a bodybuildig forum , you get killed because everyone is so damn testy. im not trying to waste your time just like im not trying to waste mine. I have a very good routine and an amazing diet given to me by a contest prep coach/ retired ifbb bodybuilder.
I realize i dont know as much about gear as you guys WHICH IS WHY IM ASKING FOR YOUR HELP AND ADVICE.
IM SURE there was a time when you guys asked your "newbie " questions also.
I just wanted some advice on an oral cycle.
And i know diet is THE MOST IMPORTANT. WHICH IS WHY I PACK 6 LUNCHES WITH ME TO WORK EVERY DAY WITH BROWN RICE AND CHICKEN.
Im just tryin.
Bro, the advice is don't run it. It's a waste. It's pointless. You will lose you gains and could lose your liver.
Bro the oral only advice is DON'T... If you're not ready to pin then you're not ready for AAS... Stay natty, reach your optimum peaks and when you get frustrated enough at your natural plateaus then maybe you will come around
AnonLook, sorry to be so hard but the reality is that the jerk who gave you the cycle didn't tell you all the shitty parts about it.. But this cycle is a waste of time and money.. Did your "friend" tell you what winny will do to your cholesterol levels, your liver, your hair? Did your friend tell you that unless your body fat is in the single digits, you WON'T see ANY definition.. did your friend tell you that your training WITH rest AND diet will make or break your cycle even more so than the compounds you take? and for chrissake DO NOT take T3 unless you get your thyroid checked you could really f it up badly..
My buddy from work learned the hard way. It shut down his test so fast the guy still has lumps under his tit. Not only that he was so toxic u could smell funk coming out his skin. He got boils not sure if it relates to to much toxicity but fuck talk about a coincidence. I warned him but he didn't like being told it was bad. He ran three super toxic compounds tren oral, halo, and winny. All ran for 8wks. I was even going to give him a vial of sust for free becuz I was worried. Tell me that fool didn't run clomid nova folowed by Proviron! He thought he knew what he was doing. It was almost sad to me cuz his genetics are awesome. Bad thing about it was his hookup made his cycle for him. I finally told him that I'll send flowers to his funeral and that as a friend I couldn't believe he was so careless.
Ps winny does wonders for me strength wise grrrl I'm about 15% bf. I know I don't cut like a single digit guy but isn't it used for strength as well:)
"tren oral, halo, and winny. All ran for 8wks"
good god what what that dude thinking?
I'm obviously SO afraid of needles but I'm gonna get HUGE fast and who needs a liver?
Makes me sick.
I'm working with the cat right now and his lumps r still there. Worst part bro is I offered him some sust for free just to help. Now he's wanting to pin cuz he sees me always swole. He's a great guy but it goes to show how important it is to know what u put in ur body will do. Not sure if I'll help him now since he didn't accept my help before.
They should make with your bud a sticky as why not to jump in too fast, and too much. Didn't learn what his body would accept. Now he has lumps. It's too bad bc it could have been a completely different outcome. Live and learn.
Anonwinny is used for speed and strength. It is a great lean mass builder and if your body fat is in the single digits, it will lean you up and harden you out. Most competitive bb will end their cycles prior to competition with winny. I have run winny and will run it but only for short periods of time. 4 weeks is my max as the joint pain gets ridiculous. Not to mention that it lowers your hdl cholesterol and raises your ldl cholesterol..liver toxicity is pretty bad as well. I don't recommend it generally speaking. I ll put it this way, if you use something fully understanding the results, the side effects, and what your personal results will be based upon your body composition I have no issues with it.... You aren't complaining that your gear is bunk because you didn't end up looking like a competition bb on the day of the show.
Well said mam! X2
I say go for this as long as you cab be sure to drink a fifth of whiskey twice a day. Seriously why ways your time and abuse your liver. Your going to send your self on a emotional rollercoaster. Then in the end loose everything
AnonYer bf is too high, and ish means you dont know. And I'll go so far as to assume that since you have a higher bf% you dont have an idea about a "perfect" diet.
Its going to be echoed alot here if anyone chooses to waste their time responding to this post but get yer diet on lock and do cardio and you will have the results you seek. And do more research since you clearly dont have any idea what your getting into.
test is a base to ALL aas i dont recommend using that combo of orals especially 2 orals together. your liver will scream. imo DONT DO IT.
whats the reason you cant use needles?