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Looking for a little advice. I'm in week 11 of a 16 week run of Test C 350mg/ Deca 300 cycle and was wondering when is the best time to add anavar 25 mg if at all ? I've gained a good 10 lb but do have a bit of the Deca pooch gut and would like to kiss that goodbye. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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16weeks of deca id hope youre ready for 6weeks solid pct. The full deal! No on the var...
Whats your pct?
You’re going to lose that once you stop the Deca and your diets in order. See out your cycle because you obviously took Deca to gain mass and quite frankly Deca really shines beyond week 10. You still have time to fully utilize the compound so stick to it then go on a strict diet into PCT.
Save the Anavar for some other time. You would be wasting it running it with Deca. There would be some benefits, but absolutely none of the ones we all expect from Anavar, the cutting phenomenon. I’ve run Anavar several times, but never really earned the right to run it.. now I know that if I’m not down to 12% body fat or below, it’s a complete waste of time and disappointment. NOTHING is going to burn away your fat better than a strict diet and strict training. Compounds may assist, but if your body isn’t where it’s supposed to be, they are nothing but wasted cycles that could have been just as good without Anavar.
Thank you Jake, That's a very honest response. I guess I was sucked in by the fat burning BS that's out there on the anavar, LOL. Now it's sounding more like the best benefits are seen when your body fat is already down there at a good number! I will definitely take that to heart.
Calorie deficit is your best fat burner.
The Deca will be contributing towards this, it isn't known as a bulking drug for nothing Lol You will have water retention from it too, all this will disappear when you come off the gear and you will lean down you'll find. With all steroids the marketing will say the compound creates fat loss, even if they do its very mild such as with trenbolone - you don't use steroids for fat loss you use them for building muscle. Some steroids just build lean muscle, some of them build muscle plus throw on a tonne of water via an increase in estrogen and some seem to add fat also. Diet is what dictates mostly how you look and also the cardio sessions you do. If you wanted a lean look then Test and Masteron plus the Anavar would have been the ideal choice in the beginning.
My thoughts exactly on deca. I switch to npp and able to keep water retention off. For me personally the deca provides more joint support than that of npp.
Could be just in my head lol
For sure mate - once Deca is in Full flow its one Big Mutha for Gainz and joint cushioning, blasts NPP out of the way for real but I always had a bit of stomach ache on Deca for some reason and also mentally I preferred NPP, NPP I think is much more uplifting where as Deca isn't really.
Thank you brother that is very helpful. I went into this cycle obviously trying to bulk but chose Deca because I know that it has less water retention than others but apparently it definitely has some still. In your opinion, what would be the best thing to do with the anavar that I already have on hand. I have 100 25mg pills. My plan was to finish my 16-week cycle and then do a cut cycle. Would you suggest? The combo that you stated in the previous comment and how long of a break in between cycles?
No Buddy - out of all the steroids available Deca is one of the worst water retainers there is!!! lol Kind of along the lines of Dianabol really, fine if you want to get bigger, lift bigger and help your joints though. A lot depends on if you come fully off and PCT or if you do TRT. Given the fact you were only on Test and Deca and not steroids that punish the liver and kidneys I wouldn't wait an eternity. Really you need to get bloodwork done when you finish the cycle just to see where you numbers are and if anything is getting high and needs taking care of before you run a cut cycle, thats the proper way to do it. If everything is fine in your bloodwork I would wait 2 to 3 months then begin a cut cycle.
Thanks again, your responses are spot on and I appreciate it. Backtracking a little. I can say that I have been on trt steadily for almost three plus years now which ultimately led to my decision to start lifting seriously again. This current cycle has definitely been a good one and I have gotten much stronger and my maxes have increased which was what I was looking for because I had kind of hit a lull with just trt. So in response to the previous comment, I do not plan on stopping trt once off this cycle and definitely plan on another round of blood work. All tests have been fine up to this point but obviously I added Deca now but either way I will continuously do my blood work. So if the plan is not to stop trt after this cycle, what would be your suggestion for going into the next cycle as far as a break goes and would you suggest the mast/test/anavar cycle for cut? My main goal in all of this I must admit is to eventually bench 400 and I'm a long way off of that now at 325 but that's not terrible for being 56, LOL
Hey Matey 325 for someone who is 56 years old is Brilliant!! Its a great bench for anyone in fact who has just been plodding along on TRT level for several years. I have just looked at your stats and it says you are 210 so your bodyweight is good enough for 400, it may help with being older though if you can push for a little more say 215 to 220 to give a bit more strength output. I'll be honest first off here buddy - if you want that bench then forget about worrying about cutting cycles for now, that can be done after you have reached your goal and it will be counterproductive to getting stronger and bigger. The best way to get there is to get on some Test, NPP and DBol or Anadrol tablets. NPP is just a quicker acting version of Deca and tends to give you more energy and power when lifting on it, it blends brilliantly with Dbol for getting stronger on, if you find DBol tough to run because of the estrogen increase then use Anadrol and take a full tablet per day or split it in half. If you run the cut cycle then although Anavar and Mast can be good for getting you stronger - they are mainly effective when you need to remain light at the same time or be low on water and estrogen. Estrogen and water retention in the muscle help greatly when wanting to get stronger, it cannot be stressed enough mate. If you want this bench badly then now is the time to get going on it (assuming bloodwork is good) and not waiting 6 to 8 months down the line when your bodyweight is lower after a cut cycle. Be sure to take things like Collagen peptides to keep your tendons strong and healthy now you are getting older buddy, you do not want these getting brittle and injured during bench training. EAA's go well with them as does creatine. You got this buddy!!!
Thank you Press for all of your input. I believe I will take your advice and run with it because I could definitely see how cutting and dropping weight will affect My overall bench. I'm actually up to 218 now and have not updated that stat so that is definitely helping. I will strongly consider going with your recommendation on the next cycle to keep bulking. The only thing I'm afraid of with the d-bal is growing tits and crap like that that I've seen and heard from other people. I guess that's where the anadrol comes into play though to combat that side. The results are usually undeniable though and I've seen people get huge on d-bal. Thanks for everything brother!
If you take Tamoxifen with the Dianabol bud then it will stop the gyno and bitch tits from happening - remember that not everyone gets this side effect, just those that are very sensitive to estrogen and things. What kind of rep ranges are you hitting and % of 1RM weight are you working with? Also don't fall into the trap of thinking you need to do every accessory known to man to get your bench up, often the best way to increase bench is to train bench. I had another guy I helped recently on here who really had a max target he wanted to hit in his life - I changed the weights and %'s he was working with, cut down a lot of the bodybuilding style work that was detrimental to his bar speed and recovery and we had him hit it in about 5 weeks, we increased it about 45lb's in that time
Okay press. I just calculated it. As it turns out, I've been working out with about 75% of my 1rm. I've been doing four sets of 10 at 240. I had another trainer friend of mine Tell me to do 62.5% of my 1rm for 3 weeks. Week 1 five sets of 10, week 2 five sets of 12, week 3 five sets of 15 and then week 4 do a max. I tried it and it didn't do much so I bumped up the weight to what I'm doing now! What do you suggest?
Jesus Chris Bro - Fire that Fucker!!! That's DISGRACEFUL advice for strength training.
As you have been use to doing high reps for a while, increase the working weight to 80% of 1RM which is 260 and do 3 to 4 working sets at that level. Its hard to say what reps you will get but it should be no more than 6, towards the end it may fall by a few. Have a crack at that next time you are in there and let me know how you do in PM and I will advise you on what to do next
My thoughts exactly press. Thank you. I knew I needed to lift more so I did and haven't talked to that old trainer since then, lol. I know for sure I can do three sets of 10 at 250 because I did that for a couple weeks but then backed off to 240 to get the extra set. I will do as you suggested and keep you informed --. One more thing, do you think I'm doing enough mg of each currently on this cycle? 350 Test C and 300 Deca per week split into 2 shots? My blood work has been fine here but I'm wondering if I should do more
All I can say here buddy is I would never advise anyone run Deca less than 400mg per week if you are after size and strength so you can bump that up 100mg/wk, and with Test as long as you handle it well I would always say to run 500mg/wk for best benefits. You are not at levels that will hamper your performance if you increase them and you will simply get stronger if you do. Make sure your Blood pressure is still safe and not going over 130/80. If it is then consider some BP medication to keep things under control.
At this point in his cycle would it really be worth bumping up the deca? Or would it be a better idea to keep that knowledge for next time? I wouldn't question bumping NPP up with 5 weeks left in the cycle. With how long it take deca to reach peak blood levels he wouldn't have much time actually taking full advantage of the extra deca would he?
Awesome press, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear because I feel like I can take More without any bad sides. I'll keep you posted through pm
Take Care buddy
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That is gonna come down to diet. More than likely if you keep what you are doing and add Var, it won't alter your body composition alone.
Thank you, I do feel like I'm eating proper and have been for 3 years. High protein low-fat and good carbs so I'm not sure what to do different there. What in essence would the anavar do for me then? I have read that it is good for cutting fat and absolutely hardens your muscle ?
Like press is saying your going to retain water from the deca. It is good for cutting on calorie deficit, so say if you BMR of 3200 calories drop down 10%. Gear will help you get a certain look for sure but if like on bulk phase anavar will not lean you out. You might see more veins and its good for looking "harder".