posted Tue, 01/09/2018 - 06:15
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alot of conflicting information out there
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i am 31 years old 5ft 9 in and 185 lbs, very athletic
i have ran a test/ drol cycle before where i went way too long about 20 weeks on the test without any AI or support because i was un educated and this was over a year ago
test was test E 500 a week and drol was 50mg 8 weeks
i am looking at doing another cycle and i would like your opinion
Test E @ 500mg a week weeks 1-16
EQ which will be @ 600 a week for weeks 1-14
GW501516 at 25 mg a day for weeks 1-10
Aromasin @ 12.5 ed
HCG @ 500 a week starting at week 5
finnish with nolva/clomid for 4 weeks
thank you for any insight you are willing to share with me
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If it's been a year since your last run then why add 600mg of eq along side it? If I were you I would go right back to test at 500 and add proviron. Always remember if you start adding things there will come a time years later when you have to take 20cc of oil a week to get a response...(exaggerated)
If you really want the eq then do 250mg of test and 600 eq and see how you react or hell 400mg of eq. I'm only hoping you think about the more you add doses get real big real quick. Be safe and let us know what you decide. Slow and steady. Don't go from 500mg a year ago to 500 of this and 600 of that for a 2nd third or 4th cycle. I used testosterone only for years and it works great. Just advice from old man
i over looked this simple process and i see your point.
I'm going to rock this one with just test E after the response i have gotten here. i got lucky the first time so i want to play it smart now.
Well you seem smart, humble and your making a good decision. You will have all your life to increase and add stuff. Don't do it until it's absolutely needed. We all have one body to make it a lifetime. You can see what happens with excess. Good luck buddy and let us know your progress!
You can run just test e cycles for years and make great gains as long as everything else is in order. I ran nothing but test e cycles for 4 years before I started to add other compounds. No need to run multiple compounds when one will work. I just wanted to give u something else to consider.
that is really what everyone here is recommending and i think that is my solution, thank you for your time
I'd start with blood tests first.
Find where your at after a year without PCT and it would give you a baseline also.
I know it's all over here in comments and forums but that estrogen is important. Just make sure you schedule that blood work for week 4 and don't change your doses around so you will know how to adjust. For me estrogen is what makes a cycle good, to low you feel like shit to high you feel like shit. That's my little piece I'm a proviron fan also
2007 research was published showing that high doses of GW501516 given to mice dramatically improved their physical performance;
HOWEVER
Clinical trials were also halted in 2007 because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs.
It seems you were planning to follow your last terrible cycle with an even more dangerous one.
Time to stop everything , do more research, and re-evaluate your goals and means of accomplishing them before you permanently hurt yourself
yes i did read that as well, thank you for your response
You mite consider just a test only cycle and concentrate on your diet and getting ai dialed in, bloodwork is a must when sorting out ai dosing. It’s somewhat unheard of these days to run test only or test provi cycles, which imo is all the majority of people need. Get your ai dialed in keep a solid nutritional protocol and bust it out in the gym....you should be able to get a half dozen or so quality cycles in just using test or test/provi
Rustyhooker3rd cycle? Whats your goal? Usually by 3rd cycle at your height is 215 plus.
basskiller89Hey brother
I personally would look into something simple like a 500mg test only cycle with an AI
I don't think adding other compounds will do anything that 500mg test won't do
RustyhookerOr even test provi. Simple, effective. Good advice bass!
X4! Keep it simple, find your spot with test and go from there
Good advice , keep it simple
X3
thank you, i have thought of this as well, i am attracted to the GW for the improved cardio ability. if i just go test do you think that the HCG will be needed or just roll with AI on cycle then run the clomid/nolva PCT
basskiller89Thanks brothers
I personally always opt to include HCG as a pre PCT protocol as it will help restore hormone levels back to normal physiological ranges much faster. I believe my last PCT, which was about 8 months ago, was something like this: Continue taking my AI for 2-3 weeks after my last pin. Begin to administer 10,000-15,000 IU of HCG over the course of a week or two. I then dropped my AI and began to administer a nolva/clomid protocol for 6-8 weeks. By week 10 blood work confirmed I was back within normal ranges. Brothers feel free to chime in, I haven't had to run a PCT in a while
Fella, stop advising people to take 10-15k of hcg in a week (any old clown reading that will do 15k in 1 week which is dumb)
Thats an overdose, hugely spikes several estrogens that an aromatase inhibitor cannot control, not to mention the potential of desensitisation, negative feedback loop that can actually mitigate test production, libido issues (for many), and of course expense
basskiller89Thanks brother
It's been a while since I've had to run a PCT, must be a bit rusty with HCG protocols
X2.
thank you
I’ve been running test only cycles for awhile and honestly I’m makeing solid progress. You feel good to. For me sides are minimal. Don’t underestimate Testosterone. Good luck
Read these & see what you think bro
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-time-cycle...
these are super helpful and i have not seen this thread for this, thank you for the response and information
No problem bro.... there’s a plethora of great info right there!