posted Tue, 01/06/2015 - 05:13
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Alright, so I am on my first cycle, 4 weeks in of 500mg of Test-e per week.
I know most people say this is a good starting point (4 weeks in) to start using your AI (Arimidex) <- What I am going to use.
I have studied the symptoms and have them saved and look them over every other night, just doing a self evaluation on how I am feeling.
As of right now, I am not getting excess or more pimples, I sleep well, nothing is itching around the nipples, and I wake up hard like wood. TMI??
Anyways, I did wake up today in a sweat and a bit a lethargy. Which are two signs of high estrogen.
So I just wanted to hear from all of you what you think I should do?
Well I know I need to get bloods taken, so maybe that will give me the answer on what to do!
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I would get bloods before you start any AI if you are not experiencing any negative estro sides. Some guys simply do not need AI's. With me for instance I can feel estro sides within one week, we are all different.
get blood work on week 6,You could start taking Ai EOD until then otherwise it will be a guessing game
But if he starts taking an AI now, it'll skew his levels during the test, which would hinder his ability to be able to accurately interpret how Test is affecting his body.
Bloodwork should be taken after you start taking your AI. That way you know if you are dosing it correctly or if you need to adjust it up or down. Six weeks is usually a good mark since T levels should have stabilized by then and most people have been on their AI for a week or two already and will be able to gauge its effects on their estro levels.
Exactly
This is something I want to understand better, when your T levels stabilize in the blood?
What does it mean when we say 4-6 weeks to stabilize? I understand short esters like test prop, someone taking 100ED doesnt mean @ the end of the week you have 700mg in your system due to it's half life and it dropping off.
I'm trying to understand longer esters better.
http://steroidplot.com/
It takes about 4-5 weeks to reach peak and steady state levels in the blood. It is all due to half lives. I have this saved as one of my favorites so maybe it will explain it better.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/maximizing-cycles
This is exactly what I was looking for, it also lead me here, another one I favorited.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-half-life-math-works
Thanks alot Makwa!
Interesting view point. First cycle I did went in after 6 weeks and was up front with my doctor about everything. Luckily for me my estrogen levels were fine, and he advised me to dose adex (I even brought him the bottle I was using) at .25mg E3D if I felt side effects he listed out. The way I understood him was that I wouldn't need to use an AI unless my estrogen levels were high, and that should I need to use it I would dose that based off my bloods, and get retested two weeks in to see if it worked.
As a side note, there need to be more doctors like him, who care more about making sure you're healthy and doing things right rather than judging you and refusing to help. After being forced to switch doctors, I've had only bad experiences going to them.
I appreciate the correction Makwa.
For my first cycle I wanted to see if I would need an AI. I did 500mg test/wk and it wasn't until week 5 that started to notice a little sensitivity in my nips. I then started taking .25mg Adex E3D and I was fine. Some people may need more and some may use less. That is why you are keeping this a simple cycle so you can figure these things out and know how YOUR body responds.
Yep gotcha, I have Adex on hand and was planning if the symptoms occur to start using it at .25 E3D's to see if that's what I would need, thanks for your post man! Much appreciated!
Imo erectile disjunction and breast changes are the main 2 indications-also if u notice yourself a emotional wreck(like women) crying and such is a good indication-
Hard to say with out blood labs but for me I would hold of on the a/I till u notice changes and u may be in the % that isn't prone-
A lot of variables could be in play-like bunk or underdosed gear for 1 but if yur noticing strength gains then I'd rule that out-also with that long of esther u may not get sides for another week or so-if u are prone and also
Did u front load the test en?
Also hit the magnifying glass up top and search "signs of high estrogen" I believe I've seen and read a few great forums pertaining to this
Thanks a lot Steveking1980,
I have noticed a small amount of strength gains so far, nothing that amazing though. I didn't front load, first shot was 4 weeks ago @ 250mg of test-e. I have been a little discouraged so far since I haven't seen much, but at the same time, I have gotten swoler and feel a little bit more strength, hope I begin to feel more as the cycle progresses.
Thanks man.
Make sure you are training like a beast and eating like a horse. If not, don't expect much to happen. If you are, things should just be starting to get good.
Like, I can tell the delts are looking massive and getting more size in lats and chest oh crap like everything is def. a bit bigger. LOL I train like a beast every time i'm in the gym.
I eat tons of food everyday as well.
10 eggs, 300g's of cottage cheese, 8oz Chicken breast, 1 cup rice, 1 cup broccoli, 8 oz. chicken breast OR steak, 1 cup rice, Universal Torrent for intra workout (tastes like jolly rancher LOL)
Then on top of that I also have (2) 50g Protein Shakes Gold Standard.
Should I add more?
Shoot for at least 1.5g of protein/lb of bodyweight and you should be good. Don't know what your weight is but it sounds like your eating alot of protein. Don't forget the complex carbs. They are protein sparing and help to fill out your muscles.
Dang, I calculated about how much protein I am taking in, and it's around 311 grams. I weigh, 208 at the moment. I know I calculated it a while ago and counted calories for a while, but now I am used to eating the same amount and getting in what I normally do.
So I should add my sweet potatoes back into the picture shouldn't I??
Sweet taters are awesome. A huge steak and some sweet taters are pretty much my normal post-workout meal.
x2, I'd throw some pasta in there and some bread, unless of course you're not trying to bulk but doing a cut instead. its a lot less effective to grow in size on rice than it is on some hearty pasta
I did a post on the benefits of carbs while trying to gain. Still a good read I think.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-gain/carbs-n...
I remember reading that before, I might not have been a member yet. Great write up man, especially useful to those who are new to this and want to achieve mass correctly. Im sure you have quite the idea how many people ask what you take to get big, but not what you eat.
Well to the both of you I believe in what we eat is what size we will be LOL
So I am ready to listen to any food advice you guys have! Thanks for the Link Makwa!!! Gonna read it now!
I'm sure we will all have our own preferences, but I'm currently pounding down some fettuccini with vodka sauce and three cheese meatballs with parsley.
Here is another post I did about adjusting calories to put on quality mass and gain minimal fat.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-bmr%E2%80%A6...
Don't get discouraged bud. You're only 4 weeks in, so you've just had the test stabilize in your system. You should notice more gains and strength increases as your cycle progresses.
This is the reason why bloodwork is so important. I agree with holding off on AI until your bloodwork is done, unless you absolutely feel the need to use it. Once your bloodwork results are in, you will know where your estrogen stands, as well as where your testosterone levels stand. Perhaps you have under dosed gear, or perhaps you don't respond to testosterone as sensitively as some other people do. This cycle is all about learning how you respond to it, and noting how to adjust it to get more out of the test should you come down to doing a second cycle.
Give it time, get your bloodwork, and keep us posted
Thanks man, that relieved me a good deal on being discouraged, my main goal is to be healthy and safe, but was really looking forward to the alpha effects of Test-E, but I am sure it's me being impatient. Unless it's sadly under dosed or bunk.
Once I get bloodwork done I will post it up, so we can discuss it!
Thanks a lot Impastable, really enjoy hearing from you when I post.
Any time. I find the whole "Alpha" effect to be greatly over exaggerated. I'm sure some people swear by it, and I will admit the "alpha" feeling was much more present when I used to lift with all the jocks, but it wasn't from PEDs but rather from the environment - after all you are a product of it.
Now I'm not saying AAS doesn't increase aggression, because it does. AAS don't turn you into a raging douchenozzle though, people typically already have that trait prior to jumping on cycle.
I look forward to hearing more from you, it's good to see that you're putting Heath and safety first. Do it right and you'll have no regrets.