Accidental Winstrol Only Cycle Failure
Greetings all,
I intended on doing an Anavar (50mgED) only cycle for 8 weeks, with chlomid as a pct. Having done a var only cycle before some years ago with a result that i was happy with I decided to purchase some Anavar from a reputable website recommended by this site.
Two weeks into the cycle I've already noticed some great results, everything feels harder (well not everything, but we'll get to that) and ive noticed some good strength gains despite being in a deficit.
The last three days have been a little odd though, my joints have been feeling a unusually sore and my libido has taken a massive metaphorical kick in the nuts. Gf is NOT happy.
So last night laying next to my disgruntled gf I decided to do a bit of digging on this Anavar. Turns out other people have slated it in the last few months saying that it is definitely Winstrol! So now I'm concerned big time.
I'm not running a test base, and I am aware that I'm probably an idiot for not doing that in the first place, but my question now is.. can i drop out of my 'Winstrol 50mgED' only cycle 2 and a half weeks into it and run a short PCT, or continue go the full leg. And what are the likely effects should I come off now with no PCT?
I appreciate your help.
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So last night as - K A P S I Z E - so eloquently put it, my little general did indeed command the bedroom. Wether this is a sign my sides arn't as bad as I originally expect is to be seen. Meanwhile I've ordered a complete PCT product, which should be arriving in a couple of days. It contains (according to the label).. 25mg Clomid, 10mg Tamoxifen & 12.5mg Proviron.
My plan being to take two of these each day for two weeks, followed by one a day for two more weeks.
i.e.
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Tamoxifen 20/20/10/10
Proviron 25/25/12.5/12.5
I'm still taking Winny 50mgED until the PCT arrives, considering my had no issues last night, and my joint pain seems to have faded considerably. Are my side in remission or is this a sign my body has found its own equilibrium in the mean time?
RustyhookerWow! Your ignorance is stunning!!!!!! You got clear concise direction. But your lil general is doing or not doing its thinking!
Enjoy that shutdown. Lol!!!
I think I've managed to interpret what you were trying to say there. Thank you for your support.
Mate don't use this. Proviron is no good for PCT as it is suppressive. It will fuck up your PCT and prolong your recovery. Bad idea. There are folks on here with blood work to prove it.
Again just stop the winny and run a Clomid only PCT.
So.. bin the PCT product and stick with Clomid only right? Is the Proviron at that dose really going to have the same negs?
Yes and yes. Use the magnifying glass up top and research mate.
RustyhookerWatching the trainwreck. : /
Yeap. Asks for advise, gets it, does own thing. Disaster keeps on unfollding. I'm done!
Lesson learned but with a price. Rusty's pct regimen should suffice since your system wasn't hit too hard and for too long.
gotta keep test in there regardless brother, var or winny, if you want your little general to command the bedroom. oral only cycles are for the inexperienced and dumb. if fear of needles is the reason, id say either saddle up or forfeit. id say drop the winny asap and pct
sidenote: 190lbs at 6'4" is pretty light to be dabbling in AAS this early. you could pack on quite a bit of weight just eating at your height
Guess what winstrol is renowned for doing to test levels? Do a bit of reading and you'll find out what I mean.
A lot of the Anavar on the market in my opinion is in fact Winny. A lot of us old 'uns will say the same.
I'll also mention to you I think you're diving into gear a bit early. At 6-4 and 190lbs you've got a lot of natural potential left there.
RustyhookerDrop that winny asap. Clomid 50 ed 2 weeks....25 ed 2 weeks.
You'll be brokedick til estro rises. Tsol
Accidental cycle.... Lmfao.... Sorry
I know it's not a funny thing to laugh at, but reminds me of that story in dubai or somewhere where the super rich guy got off of rape charges saying he was drunk slipped and fell which is when he accidentally penetrated a girl through his underwear while she was passed out drunk. As well as another girl may have his cum on her lol. I do a lot of dumb stuff being a noob with AAS as many people will tell you, but I own that shit ;-P
Regardless of it being var or winny you needed test bro cmon everyone should know these basics by now. Im not judging Ive ran oral only back when I played sports then shortly realized the syringe is the best way. If you can't pin don't take gear. Also i didn't read your stats so hopefully you're not a child lol
I'm thinking now next time I will go down that route but as mentioned before I've ran Var only before and was very happy with it, I leaned up and a gained a little size, with a short pct i had no notable sides. I was hoping for the same again here.
Probably worth deleting the brand name before you get bonked by a mod. It's against the rules to post brand names in the open forum.
And yes no test base is not a good plan. You just discovered the hard way one of the reasons why not. And agree with the below. Stop use, wait a day and PCT.
Also pls update stats to include BF and next time you post include priors, goals, diet and training etc. Stick around fella and research. Magnifying glass up top. And excellent links to forums and diet, training and beginner cycles.
Thank you Dacky,
What PTC do you think I should run and for how long?
Would just Clomid be enough? What should I be looking out for during PCT / how long before my vitals return to normal?
If Clomid is all you have then do that. My opinion is you would be fine with 3 weeks at 100/50/50. If you had Nolva I would add it at 40/20/20 given you are really feeling the effects of being shut down. If you don't just use the Clomid. The sooner you get going with this the better. Others may have a different view but that's my opinion.
I could order the Nolva and have it in the next couple of days, I'm thinking about running it for one or two more days whilst waiting on that to arrive and running Nolva and Clomid as you've recommend. Would there be additional harm in running my cycle for a couple of extra days? How do you know when you've ran a PCT for long enough? Are there tell tale signs that you do/dont need to keep running the novla/clomid. Sorry about all the questions. Thanks again
So if it were me I would stop now. Wait a day and start the Clomid. If you want,order the Nolva and simply start it when it comes and run it for a few days after the Clomid is done. I still think you would be fine with just the Clomid as I suggested. Think about it this way a standard PCT for a simple cycle of Test for 10/12 weeks would be:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
There is no sure way to tell for sure if a PCT has or will be successful. Everyone is different. For me I tend to feel more "normal" (improved libido, energy, etc.) toward the end of a standard 4 week PCT. Again everyone is diffirent and the PCT meds (especially Clomid have their own side effects). The only way to tell is to pull bloods after the PCT (normally 6 weeks but given the relative shortness of your cycle 4 would probably be ok) and to check your test levels relative to your base line. I assume you don't have pre-cycle blood work done?
I'm not tying to be a dick but it seems to me that you were pretty unprepared when you started this cycle. You need to spend some serious time researching aas use, proper cycles (including the importance of always running test), side effects, use of ancilliaries, blood work, pct protocols etc. before running any more cycles. As I said stick around and use this site to help with this.
Good luck.
Let it clear from ur system and PCT bro. Next time post ur stats man
Yep!!
Welcome to Eroids....lol
Have you seen any synthol forearm injection questions yet? It can't be that bad since I came across that on evolutionary lol
Haha! I like that reply
TronLmao!
That's bogus, cease use and let it clear then pct