+ 6 A Point I'd like to make about 1st cycles.
Hey Folks,
I'm new to posting here but have read plenty over the last no of months. Not new to weight training either, training several years.
I have finished a Test C cycle just recently. I'm in PCT. I based alot of what I did for my cycle on information from here and from other sources also so thanks.
I used Test C 250mg/ml. I thought it was excellent stuff and I was getting stronger and bigger within 1 week of starting my cycle.
I am 35, almost 36. I lift for strength and power primarily but who doesn't want to get bigger also . . .closet bodybuilders as Jim Wendler calls us.
My point is about the amount of Test people are using in their first cycles.
I pinned .7ml X 2 a week. 350mg total. I used no AI, I had it to hand in case. I ran the cycle for 11 weeks as this worked into my training cycles . . I use undulating periodisation.
I saw MASSIVE results with almost no sides with just 350mg a week of Test C . Increased body hair was my worst side . .some bloat of course but nothing major.
I added 16/17 lbs of good body weight, my body fat % is lower now than at the start . . .some of the weight will be water but plenty isn't . . .and I added over over 25kg to some of my lifts. Asthetics are not a big deal for me . ..I favour strength over being cut or ripped.
I am training a good few years . . .I'm an intermediate lifter, my lifts were at max levels . . .to add 25kg to a squat and a deadlift in 11 weeks is huge . . . .Do some people comprehend that at all . . .do they know how hard an intermediate - advanced natty lifter works training cycle after training cycle month in month out, year after year to add a few kg here and there to a lift . . .
There seems to be a lack of appreciation among some of the posts i read before my cycle for how much of a gain or boost this is . . .
My point is not to necessarily run out and start a 600mg a week Test cycle . . .you can get great gains from less and the great thing is i have loads of room left to add Test to my following cycles before getting to silly levels. I can get 3 or 4 cycles before i will have to hit 600. I'm not at a gram a week on my 3d cycle and dealing with sides etc
So just think imo . .thats all I want to say . . .350mg a week gave me great results and gives me great scope now into the future.
Why 350? I based alot of it on these pieces of research.
http://www.arielnet.com/articles/show/adi-pub-01242/anabolic-steroids-th...
http://www.e-space.mmu.ac.uk/e-space/handle/2173/13266
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=articleTop
The last one Bashin is a great piece of work. I found those pieces of research through Greg Nuckols blog.
Thats my 2c anyway.
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Rustyhooker4 years ago the vets and mods had a huge forum debate on first cycle dosing. Everyone knew that a small cycle under 500 would indeed add good mass to someone putting forth the efforts. My first cycles were low like that and simple.
During the debate, we took into consideration the powerlifters, gym rats, bodybuilders and athletes. 500 was agreed upon as general consensus. Safe enough for newbs but strong enough to make great gains as you noted.
It's excellent to see real world data! Hopefully, others can learn the sweat value and follow your tracks.
Great information and I hope people take it to heart. More isn't better in most cases. Start low and slow and most will be stunned from what they gain. My first cycle was also 250 mg of test a week and that was probably one of my best cycles.
Good point and well made, +2. My first cycle was only 250mg of test e per week, massive gains.
Hi, just a heads up- no source or labs name in the forum.
Edit out the brands bro...
Sorry about that folks . .done.
U must of pressed reply as I was typing lol