4th Cycle
My 4th cycle. Goal is to cut while on the Anavar initially (I am cutting right now all natty and want to finish it off on cycle) and transition to a lean bulk for the remainder of the cycle once I come off the var and the test/EQ are in full effect. Might use Masterone at the end as it has been suggested to me. If I do, the layout looks like this:
Week 1-7 = Anavar @ 75mg/day
Week 1-20 = Test E @ 375mg/wk
Week 1-20 = EQ @ 600mg/wk
Week 15-20 = Mast E 400mg/wk
Week 14-20 = Anavar @ 75mg/day
Week 18-20 = HCG @ 500iu every 3 days
Arimidex @ 0.5mg every 3 days throughout
Proviron @ 50mg everyday throughout
PCT-1 (50 clomid, 20 nolvadex, 6.25 aromasin) for my PCT.
2 a day for 2, maybe even 3 weeks, and then 1 a day until gone (I have 50 in total).
How does this look to the vets?
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RustyhookerYou been here a while. Post full stats.
Woops. Sorry. As I said, my age is 25, and I have been training (seriously) since 19. I am 5'10 and 180 lbs weith around 12% bf. I am naturally a tiny, tiny dude. I was 135 lbs with a higher bf when I first got into the gym after high school.
RustyhookerFood and hitting weights hard hard hard will be your hurdle.
RustyhookerYou can do well at doses posted but can also back the eq to 16Weeks. Test 17. Pct week 19. The mast needs to be mast prop. Same 4week ester length to "kick". Si 13-19 @ 100eod is plenty. I don't like the var at the beginning personally. It'll be basically working all alone. At the tail end it kills appetite for me so eating clean is easier. I'd jyst be patient without var at beginning. Test prop if you really need a kick but even then your low dosing to let eq do its job. Just let it run its course.
Basically....just eat n grow.
RIght on, man. I appreciate your feedback. I may hold off on the Anavar and use it at the end. I will definitely drop the EQ and test to 16 and 17. The less time my natty is shut down, the better. And I will definitely get mast P rather than E and run it 100mg eod like you said. I don't think I will even worry about prop for a kickstart or anything. I will just wait for the long esters to do their thing. I did a prop kicker on my second cycle and broke out like crazy basically right off the bat and struggled through the whole cycle and a long while after. Not sure if the prop was even really the cause (as I also used Aromasin on that cycle and have used Arimidex on my others), but better avoided. Thank you again for your feedback.
RustyhookerAnytime!
angus20 weeks is an awfully long cycle, your age will be a factor as well as your other information so might as well post up your stats and history before everyone starts pounding away for it. I see some flaws with your cycle bro so lets start at the beginning.
Alright, man. Yeah, I was thinking it seemed long but everyone says EQ needs to be ran for like 18 minimum to really get all its benefits. And my original plan was just the Test/EQ and Anavar in the beginning. The masterone was a suggestion from someone, but it is def due to change. My age is 25, I have been training seriously since 19 (a little on and off since early high school before that, but not consistent).
First cycle:
test E 500/wk for 10 weeks.
Second cycle:
test E 500 mg/wk for 14 weeks
test p 100mg every other day first 4 weeks and final 4 weeks (kick and taper)
Third cycle:
test E 500mg/wk for 14 weeks
deca 375mg/wk for first 12
I used HCG and caber on the last deca cycle.
Standard Arimidex dosage and standard PCT for all.
Do you think I should run something shorter or just change/drop compounds?
As I said, I originally had planned just test E/EQ like 500/600 a week with var at first.
But it was suggested to me since I want to keep everything lean to drop the test to 375
and maybe add masterone and/or add the anavar back in at the end.
angusThe 2 glaring things that jumped out at me was the Mast E for 5 weeks, a complete waste of time and money, and the length of the cycle. While it is true that EQ is recommended for longer cycles 20 weeks is pretty long. I would drop that back to 16 weeks. You will either need to drop the Masterone or you will need to change the ester to Propionate so it will take effect quicker. I would also think about dropping the anavar in the beginning of the cycle and save it for the end, otherwise you will be relying on anavar only the first few weeks. Using test Prop is a better way to kick your cycle. I like the low dose cycle, it is very effective and productive.
Thanks, man. Yeah, that seems to be the consensus from you more experienced guys. I am changing the masterone to prop 100mg eod. I am also going to hold off on the anavar until the end. Do you think it would be best to use at the very end alongside the masterone or when exactly would you recommend incorporating the var? I am currently revising the cycle over and over until I get it right (with help from you guys). At the moment, I have it down to something like this:
Week 1-16 = EQ @ 600mg/wk
Week 1-17 = Test E @ 375mg/wk
Week 12-18 = Mast P 100mg EOD
Week 12-18 = Anavar @ 75mg ED
(split am/pm... maybe like 25 am and 50 preworkout? I have 50mg tabs)
Week 1-18 = Arimidex @ 0.5mg E3D
Week 19 = PCT
(100/100/50/50 clomid, 40/40/20/20 nolva, 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 aromasin)
I also have 150x 50mg proviron. I am trying to decide when to use it and how. I hear many mixed views on things such as using it through PCT, so that is up in the air. Still looking for more info and opinions before I fit that part in. Does the rest look pretty good though? I really appreciate you guys taking your time to help me piece this cycle together.
This is only going to be your 4th cycle and you are already planning on running 4 different compounds. Have you ran all of these other compounds by themselves (with test of course) so you know how they affect you? Seems to be overkill for only your 4th cycle.
I haven't, actually. My original plan was the test and EQ with a kickstart of anavar in the beginning, but the mast was suggested to me by one of the vets here whom I and a lot of other people trust. And it was also suggested to me to hold off on the anavar until the end as it would be a bit of a waste since it would be working alone in the beginning. I'm still trying to put all this together, so your input is welcomed. I'm not trying to get greedy with this cycle. I just want it to be successful and moderate. That's why I felt low test + side-friendly compounds like EQ and anavar was a good idea. Like I said, the masterone is just a maybe. I still have a lot of planning.
angusI considered the approach to different chemicals in my analysis also; however the biggest problem with running multiple new compounds is you don't know what is to blame if something goes wrong nor do you know what to congratulate when something goes right. But by spacing out the Mast and the Eq I'm confident you won't confuse their effects, and you dropped the anavar in the beginning, so I'm not too concerned about new compounds and how you respond. I don't think it's overkill, in that, you are running a conservative dosage with some mild compounds. I think that is very smart on your part, and a great way to approach it. Yeah, you're only 25 and on your 4th cycle......well, nobody's perfect and it's obvious you're gonna keep it up so there is no sense in preaching.
As for the cycle itself, and to answer your question, I think that you should delay the use of anavar for at least a week or 2 (at the end), with 2 being better. I feel that if you run that Masteron You will be dry and hard, much like the anavar will do. So there is a chance that you wont even want the anavar and that 2 week window will help you decide if the results you are starting to see are what you were after. It's just my .02 but i'm a big proponent of saving my money. I think the cycle itself looks good with the changes you have made, anything after that is going to be personal preference, which I guess some of what I am writing is too.
As for the Proviron....I was reading that gents labs where he bridged using proviron and got bloods that showed his natty still suppressed and that was enough evidence for me, I wouldn't use Provi as a bridge but I'm not going to battle with any diehards over it either. But since it increases your percentage of free test to bound test (and weakly bound) and you're running low dose test with this cycle I can see some benefits to running it and making your testosterone more effective. But don't feel like you have to put an oral with an oil. It doesn't need to be that way.
Very in depth advice, man. Gotta say again, I do appreciate all of it. And I will do that with the Anavar. I will just have it in my stash box and feel out the mast first. If the masterone will give me the same type of benefits anyway, I could save money and have the anavar in hand for another cycle later on. And I will use the Proviron on cycle only. People are on both sides of the fence with that one, but the best side to be on is probably the side of avoidance altogether.
So it is likely this cycle will be Test E/EQ throughout + Mast at the end to harden up and polish everything off. I want to thank you again for your time. I am definitely not too hard-headed to take advice from people who have plenty more experience and knowledge than myself.
angusI don't know if the best side of the fence is to abstain from the Proviron, it is a good compound and it has many uses, but not too much at once. Moderation is the key here. I think Viking runs it and Mast instead of an AI, apparently that is a British concept that works very well. I was reading that in one of his posts.
You seem to have a great attitude, and are open to suggestions. I'm always happy to help a brother out. +2
Oh, yeah. I meant I was gonna use the Proviron on cycle either way for synergistic effects of the test and what not. Just not continuing it through PCT.