posted Fri, 08/09/2013 - 18:07
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Hi guys,
I'm planning my next cycle and I would like to know you opinion on that.
My current stats are:
- 30 years of age
- 7 years of training
- 92kg @ 15%bf
I was thinking of putting a good amount of lean mass and get to 100kg (hopefully). Also in this cycle I was thinking to start adding a new compound with the test.
Here is the cycle:
week 1-5 40mg Dbol ED
week 1-14 500mg Test enanthate
week 1-14 300mg Tren Hex
week 1-14 12.5mg Aromasin EOD
week 17 100mg Clomid ED
week 17-18 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 18-20 50mg Clomid ED
week 19-20 20mg Nolvadex ED
Clean Diet 40/40/20 @ 4000cal.
I'm open for suggestion.
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ok I came up with 2 option:
week 1-5 40mg Dbol ED
week 1-14 500mg Test enanthate
week 1-12 300mg Deca
week 1-14 12.5mg Aromasin EOD + Caber
week 17 100mg Clomid ED
week 17-18 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 18-20 50mg Clomid ED
week 19-20 20mg Nolvadex ED
2nd option:
week 1-5 40mg Dbol ED
week 1-14 500mg Test enanthate
week 1-14 250mg Equipose
week 1-14 12.5mg Aromasin EOD
week 17 100mg Clomid ED
week 17-18 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 18-20 50mg Clomid ED
week 19-20 20mg Nolvadex ED
Thoughts?
3th?
Deca is better for an early cycle, but I'd go with EQ for lean mass gains instead. And like SDM said something other than 19 nors. That way you don't have to worry about massive bloat, erectile dysfunction, lactating, taking yet another drug ie prami or caber. Maybe dive into deca with the next cycle.
first guys thanks for the replies. I have changed the cycle based on your comments and more research. I'm thinking to drop the tren for now and replace it with deca. This will turn my cycle to a pure bulking cycle (hopefully without gaining much bf)
The cycle will look:
week 1-5 40mg Dbol ED
week 1-14 500mg Test enanthate
week 1-13 400mg Deca
week 1-14 12.5mg Aromasin EOD
week 17 100mg Clomid ED
week 17-18 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 18-20 50mg Clomid ED
week 19-20 20mg Nolvadex ED
any thoughts?
cheers
run the test 3 weeks longer than deca, the ester attached on the deca wont clear your system in a mere 3 weeks. the nandrolone will still be suppresing your hpta, start pct 5 weeks after last deca shot, 4 at the absolute least.
sdm is right too imo about test:deca ratio being off - im going to run 600mgs test e and 300mgs deca my next cycle and 30mgs dbol first 4 weeks. maybe think about that dosage for yourself too. this will be my first 19-nor cycle as well. good luck buddy, make sure your invest in either prami or caber!!
Your ratio of test to deca is out. Too much deca, we typically follow a 2:1test to deca ratio to keep libido etc in good shape, once you drop below this, more prone to erectile dysfunction etc.
To be honest I'm not in love with the idea of deca on a 3rd cycle anyway. Have you looked into other compounds other than 19 nors?
What were your last two cycles? It's really best to add one compound at a time Then you know exactly how your body reacts to it. Tren's a pretty big jump for your 3rd cycles. There are a lot of other compounds that will give you great results. Your receptors are still pretty fresh. Just my .02
1-4 30mg Dbol
1-12 500mg test enanthate
AnonYou need to get caber and run it e3d .5 mg per week if your set on running tren.....but my true thoughts are....what is your cycle experience and you really dont need to run tren yet if you only completed 2 cycles. ..,,, but if you really just gotta run ig you should run tren ace first because if the sides are bad for you ,,you can get rid of the sides fast but with hex by the time the sides show up they are gonna be thete for awhile
Your goals are lean mass?
You can get that without tren...my opinion i would hold on tren a little longer
Yeah,
Tren and Test will be deployed into your bloodstream and have a fight for your receptors.
Tren has 5 times more super powers so it fills up your receptors leaving Test to float around and change into Estrogen.
Id go real low Test like TRT dose and High Tren A. EG: Test P @ 30ml ED and Tren A @ 60ml ED. 8 point site rotations.
Cabergoline on hand
I'd Tren A every day rather than every other day, will help the agro.
Also pick up an Omron BP machine. Take your BP daily. If your Systolic gets higher than 155mmHg for a few days I'd take 20mg Ciallis twice per day.
Cheers Threshy
I would change up somethings
week 1-4 40mg Dbol ED
week 1-12 500mg Test enanthate
week 1-12 300mg Tren Hex <<< 14 weeks is to long IMO to run tren
week 1-12 6 - 12.5mg Aromasin ED <<<< half life wanna run ED ajust as needed
PCT - clomid 100/50/50/50 Nova 25/25/25/25
not sure if you've run tren before if not start with Tren ace if sides get to bad you can stop it an its out of ur system sooner then Hex and to be honest this being your 3rd cycle you should wait on tren but its ur show boss and I dont see any Parmi or caber in your cycle if you dont have either better get one before even thinking about running tren and 1 more thing if ur running 300mgs of tren might wanna take ur test e down to 300 as well a lot of people will tell you not to run test higher then ur tren dose but again ur call only my advice do with it as you please ... gl
AnonThat pct there is a little off
When I ran clomid an nova that protocol always worked for me but then again I never used clomid or novia after a tren cycle either .. I only run toremifene citrate now 120/90/60/30 << stuff is the best pct ever IMO