3rd Cycle-Need opinions
This is my first post on here, so please take it easy on me! I plan on running my 3rd steroid cycle in mid June and need some opinions and pointers. I am currently 184 lbs. and 5'8" tall. I have previously used test e, deca, and anavar in my previous cycles. I plan on using test e, eq, and tbol in my upcoming cycle. My main questions are I plan on using HCG but I am unsure of when to start it throughout the 16 week cycle and how much to use. My cycle will look like this:
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Test E: weeks 1-16 600 mg/ week (Mon& Thurs split)
EQ: weeks 1-16 800 mg per week, same split as test
T-Bol: weeks 1-4 50-75 mg per day
HCG-500 ius per week??
Clomid and nolva for pct
I also have aromasin on hand incase of gyno during cycle, never had problem before but have never went 16 weeks.
Please comment and let me know what you think! Much appreciated!
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JoosemanWeek 1/2 - TBOL @ 50mg
Week 3/4 - TBOL @ 75mg
Test E/C - Week 1-16 @ 600mg/week
EQ at 800mg week 1-16
(I don't think running 800mg of EQ is overkill, but It will put you right where you want to be!)
Given you have run var, it would be a niceeeee addition to this cycle.
HCG 1000IU/week split into 2 shots (500 each) week 6-16. If you want, its always an open to blast the HCG before you start your pct as well...depending how much you decide to buy ;)
Aromasin 6.25mg EOD or 12.5mg EOD on cycle or as needed
PCT
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Aromasin (load 25/25/12.5/12.5 for first 4 days, then run 6.25mg ED for remainder)
Clomid 100/100/50/50/50
I think adding 1 week extra to your PCT given the length of your cycle is definitely a good call.. drop the nolva after 4 and getting bloods drawn would be optimal
I just admire the fact you're keeping it pretty simple from what I read on here.. people running tren and 3 orals by their second cycle. This is a pretty mild cycle to say the least in all spectrums.
a prop taper is always a possibility as well, I'd personally hit this cycle for 18 weeks, but thats your call ;)
Thanks brotha 18 weeks does sound nice! So stop the eq at week 16 and taper down the test e to like 3-400 mg per week or even Lower than that?
Dossier31 I have also thought about running the tbol for 6 weeks but I'm just using it as a kicker before the test e kicks in, should I start tbol 2 weeks before the test or at the same time an just run it the first 6 weeks and at what mg? And you also believe I should run the aromasin through the entire cycle? I have no problem getting more that is my an issue I want to run this correctly and safely I appreciate all of yor help.
Rustyhooker I have debated using prop as a taper but am unsure of it as of now, what would your opinion on that be? I think it would help me keep more gains during pct also in the long run
RustyhookerTapering is 3Weeks is its eq. 100eod should be fine. Hcg is last 6-8 Weeks IF uour nuts shrivel or you choose that route. Its a plumper so theres no need to hit it at beginning of cycle. It'll just bump more estro and your nuts arent shriveled at beginning anyways....so why? Tbol first 6 Weeks. Blood test at week 6 to adjust ai.
My opinion...you should lower cycle to 600/600.
Ok that was my concern never had a problem before with nuts shriveling up but was unsure of how I would be affected by eq, and I was also thinking of running mg for mg of test and eq, my last cycle I ran test at 750 per week so should I run 800/800 or still stay at 600/600? And 6 weeks of tbol sounds good, should I run first 3 weeks at 50 mg and then 75 mg last 3? Or is that too high?
RustyhookerBigger is not always better. This is just your 3rd cycle. Pushing harder and higher doses will push you into high doses just to maintain. This is a stack. At 185 and going into 3rd cycle Id strongly suggest you revamp your diet. BIG calories for BIG bulk. Blood testing and Food is your key
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/its-not-the-gear
your diet and training will dictate the amount of gains kept during recovery. there is no compound that can be added during a cycle that will help with this.
tip: that reply button lets you comment under individual posts. it also sends a notification to the person your replying to that you're trying to keep the convo going.
Thank you sorry very new to this have always just used the site for reading and knowledge, and I understand diet is everything I am currently working on one now and I know the eq is going to boost my appetite so I am preparing for that, I plan on ranging from 2750-3000 calories/day and seeing how I hold up with that. I am very dedicated to training an make sure I push myself everytime I am at the gym, while I was powerlifting I cut back on cardio but I plan to increase it again to 3-4 days a week
Love the choice of gear!
i actually like this cycle. i think it's a bit much for a third run but you've already busted that cherry wide open.. lol. because the eq takes so long to kick in, you should be able to distinguish any unfamiliar sides caused by the tbol. speaking of tbol, it's gains are accumulated rather slowly as well. maybe consider running it for 6 weeks instead.
everything looks good, all things considered. run your hcg week 6-8 thru week 18-19 (depending on when you start pct. keep in mind that eq will be in your system a lot longer than the enanthate will. during this time, it will continue contributing to the negative feedback loop, so you want to time your pct with the eq leaving your system. i'd taper the enanthate down each week for 2 weeks after last eq pin. then give another 2 weeks to start pct. that's just me tho...
hcg needs to stop 2-3 days before pct starts. hcg will also elevate estrogen levels, so don't run that AI as an "as needed" thing. start your AI either from the beginning or as late as week 3 and run it thru pct. taper the dose during pct this way: 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25. this is ED. if it seems like it's too much and low e2 sides occur, reduce frequency to EOD.
Nolva need to change also?
20/20/10/10
Can he drop the test dosage down to 300-400mg to help with leaning?
good call. i missed that. AI during pct means less nolva needed
I didn't plan on running nolva and clomid until post cycle, but I believe he is talking about my aromasin during cycle. Tabs are 12.5 mg that I am using
That's what he was saying was run Aro through pct.
Normally when you run Aro through pct your Nolva dosage is cut from 40/40/20/20 to
20/20/10/10
So your whole pct will be
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/2010/10
Aro 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Ok sorry misunderstood the post, but yes this is what I plan on running! But start aro 3rd week into cycle and post 11 days after last pin?? Run aro throughout those 11 days off also
Yea. Start Aro in the 3rd week. Reason being is because that way you don't shut down your E2 levels before everything starts to kick in. But yes you would run Aro at that dosage for those days.:-)
I really appreciate your help, one last questions for you, from weeks 3-16 should I run aro everyday at 12.5 mg or eod?
Run it ED. Dossier pretty much covered the rest. But what's new there....;-) Much love, D!
RustyhookerEq or bold cyp? Prop taper?
Do you plan on running HCG throughout or just during pct?
Sorry, forgot to add in my current numbers: was powerlifting and am now more body building style lifts that's why I added I eq this time to get more vascular and add more lean mass!
Bench press: 340lbs
Squat: 365 lbs.
Dead lift: 445 lbs.
I actually am running a very very similar cycle right now. I like your choices.:-)