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Hi there guys, I've had 2 "failed" cycles

Test Cyp 10 wks (started nolva day after last shot and ran 40/40/20/20

Test E 10 wks w/ 8 wks low dose deca (no pct only OTC stuff but I did recently get a check and I did ay okay.. was in decent from all the blood work done) The gear was legit and made quality gains I could have probably kept.

Looking to cycle again once I hit 180 naturally, I am ONLY going to use once I see that I have built enough quality muscle and stuck to my consistent dieting before I cycle again.

I am looking to use Test E for 10-12 weeks at a low dose with possibly HCG weather someone or not recommends it for a "first" cycle for me.
I am 21 years old, 5'6, 158lbs (really lean and held onto my mass after 120+ days away from the gym) I am ready to cycle, It may take me 3 to 6 months to hit 180 and be lean still. I have great genetics and work ethic and have a precise diet now, And am currently bulking. Yesterday was my first day at the gym again so I won't be cycling until next june, However. I would like to have all my gear and supplies on hand in a box so when the time comes, I am ready. I am looking for multi vitamin/cycle support / pct & ai & serm possibly if needed. Just looking for the best overall advice so I can achieve the gains I am looking for. I only want to use test E for my "first cycle" Thanks to a member on the board. As far as training solid for 1 to 3 years, Fuck that bull shit, I'm shooting test up when I feel I am ready again. I am a rational thinker and have grown plenty of patience.

EDIT: PLEASE READ.
I think this is one of the most useful resources I have ever found, I appreciate every single one of your guys responses (even the tiny insults/flames), Such an awesome forum, And I will most likely become an active member to share my own personal responses and share my journey with you guys. I kinda understand and see the point to train solid for a year, two, or three years, and it's to see if you can even handle a bodybuilding lifestyle in order to add that final touch with the gear. Thanks eroids members. Amazing stuff.

For now, The only advice I need for now is how to go about with this gyno issue, It's so minor just in one nipple, It's a bit tender to touch and hurts, But I've had worse gyno and it gone quickly. But this rebounded from some DAA/OTC stuff.(no ph) So not sure if Nolva for a few months, or letro until the gyno subsides (i need to keep my sex drive up for personal reasons)

10000ngdl's picture

You better put in 1 year of hard work before you touch aas.
I feel guilty for giving you the layout so dont make me regret it.
If you need help with anything let us know thats why we are here.
I sent you a friend request, let me know when you have put in work.
stay motivated

fast48's picture

High five! +1

fast48's picture

I'm short too. Getting to 185 natty is easy when diet/gym is in place. Post food help and workout routine help.

Whats your routine?

SmellyCat420's picture

Layne norton PHAT variation, 2500 cals for 4 days, 3k cals for 6 days, Completely clean, No junk in my fridge/cabinets, Learned my body well, testing this 2500/3k cycle for a few months to see how much I gain. Looking to put on quality muscle only with minimal fat, Fat is expected, But I can stay lean as long as I eat clean, I have no problem NOT cheating anymore. feelsgoodman! =)

fast48's picture

I read your bit below. Yes...hold out til bulked up then blast. Of course some fat happens. Adding into the diet complex carbs can help that bulk quickly. Then your not dirty bulking but still getting a food launch. As far as fat, yes some can be expected however if you up the complex carbs and keep protein about 2grams/lb body weight mixed with good hard lifts....a lil treadmill can keep that fat down while the extra caloroes promote growth. When i was young i thought i was a hardgainer. Lifted like a maniac. Going for bantamweight competition. Semi pro soccor as well. Read parillo and poloquin....upped calories from 3000 to 9000. Went from precomp 142 & 6%bf.......to 150 & 3%bf in just 6 Weeks. All natty. I was working so hard i simply wasnt feeding properly.

finafan's picture

x2 Post food help and workout routine

finafan's picture

yeah he is short listen to him.

SmellyCat420's picture

No need to be rude, As I said, I don't plan to use until I feel as if I am ready, If I don't look good at supreme quality at 185-190, Than I'm not using, I'm far beyond than what you have your picture painted of me, If you read correctly, You would see that I want to get to 180-190 natty first before I even think of getting gear, And that I plan to have it all prepared waiting in a little box for me (it was a dumbass cycle, and not waiting and being impatient I should have just saved all the gear I got to begin with quite honestly) I'm trying to actually build quality muscle too. I know all of my mistakes in dieting and training and have it figured out now, At least a really great solid foundation FOR NOW. But Quality muscle over quanity any fucking day of the week. Poptarts or "if it fits your macros" is out of the question for me, As I said, Looking to build QUALITY muscle, My physique even now is impressive as fuck and I've been out 100-120+ days from the gym! I'm not your average 21 year old =/ pretty wise and old actually.

SmellyCat420's picture

Wish I had heard that years ago man, At least it being processed and understood in my head as it is now, Thanks a lot man. I really do appreciate this forum.

logan's picture

Thanks brother, I caught this one at 5am and didn't have the energy yet to get really into it but you and CD said it for me. +1 for you and CD

logan's picture

Thanks brothers. Just got home and need to take care of a couple things but should be back shortly.

Detroitnate's picture

with your age and stats bro you should be able to get that 20lbs in a year with the right training and diet check this out http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition... from cdaddy
and here is a good one for u to read at your age
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/saw-this-and-thought-it...

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10000ngdl's picture

Okay young brother hit that 180, I would say you could gain 20lb soild muscle ripped in 1 year natural if your on top of your game. That gives you enough time to become consistent with your diet, training, and taking your multivitamin, I like Centrum complete a to zinc. Your lean bulk diet should have 1-1.5 gallons of water and around 3000-3200cal(lbs in body weight x 15-20=cals) 40%p 40%c 20%f, eat your veggies, fruits, red meat, chicken, fish, rice, potatos, all the good stuff (if man made it, dont eat it unless you really have to). Remember the more weight you put on and the harder you train the more calories you will need to eat but this is a good starting point. Your bulk training should consist of 8-12 reps per set with a 12321 seconds time under tension 3 sets pre muscle group 1-2 a day per week and go harder in the gym every time you work out that muscle group again. Always make it harder for yourself the next time, thats how you get stronger and bigger. You will hit 180lb may even hit 190lb in a year buff as hell. If you have a little body fat after that you want to cut, go into a fasted state for 20 hours with ONLY water then eat for the next 4 hours(get all your cals in) 200 cals less than you burn and do this every 3 days and days inbetween eat maintinence cals. This is called intermittent fasting will raise your natural growth hormone 500% and you will get ripped. NO ALCOHOL! OH yeah baby, now you are ready for for your first cycle and its going to be a good one. Lets do a 12 week test e at 500mg EW with a prop kickstart,(save that HGH for when you get old) what you need:
(you may have left over)
2x25mg/30 Aromasin
2x20mg/30 nolvadex
2x50mg/30 clomid
3x250mg/10ml testosterone enathate
1x100mg/10ml testosterone propionate

Day 1 -250mg/1ml test e
100mg/1ml test p
Day 2 -
Day 3 -50mg/.5ml test p
Day 4 -250mg/1ml test e
Day 5 -50mg/.5ml test p
Day 6 -
Day 7 -

Week 2_8- 250mg/1ml test e - E4D .12.5mg aromasin E4D (Make EOD if nips are tender)
or add (nolvadex at 20 mg E3D-EOD )
Week 9_12- 50mg/.5ml test p - EOD .12.5mg aromasin EOD

Week 13- aromasin .12.5mg EOD
nolvadex 40mg ED
clomid 100mg ED

week 14_16- nolvadex 20mg ED
clomid 50mg ED

week 17_18- nolvadex 10mg ED

18 weeks OFF
continue to do what you did before cycle its a lifestyle bro stick to it.

I JUST SPENT AN HOUR WRITTING THIS AND JUST REALIZED YOU WANTED A TEST E ONLY CYCLE
DAMM IT! THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION!!

Well you might like this one better for your first 3rd cycle try it bro.

PUT IN WORK

SmellyCat420's picture

Re-read this man, I really appreciate it, Glad you have faith to see that i'm looking to hit 200 naturally under a year, Sounds fucking crazy but why can't I do it, I know what i'm capable of, I know what I was capable of before, I was gaining muscle in a calorie deficient phase, I'll send you my bb.com log. (There are several people I actually want to prove that you can do so much more naturally without the use of gear, So i'm just trying to educate myself now and have all my gear on hand and ready for me to use when I feel the time is right) I have family who abuse steroids, Shrink right off cycle after their PCT of nolva(sometimes even fake nolva and never come off cycle and keep shooting randomly as fuck, it's disgusting, I know abusers and i'm trying to avoid being stupid about it =)

SmellyCat420's picture

VERY much appreciated man, I'll hit you up one day soon when I do hit 180, I don't see why everyone has such an issue with me, 3-4 months ago I was 173 (naturally). This was eating crap food for substitutes, Not sticking to my original diet, I'm highly educated when it comes to muscle building, My lack of motivation and problems have been my only issues with me other then that, I'm a bodybuilder who knows what he's doing, Just the lack of money and my own little bitch issues stopped me from alot, Now i'm back in the game refreshing my memory and dedication to the sport.
I only eat brown rice, Sweet potatos, Organic almond/peanut butter, beef chicken and salmon/tilapia/tuna (once a day each) Maybe 1 to 4 whole eggs with plenty of egg whites, plain oatmeal, only eat fruits on my high carb 6 day phase, drink probably 1.5-2 gallons, take a multi vitamin, I'll eat a whole meal before I do a shake any day of the week. i'm literally doing everything right, i'm not uneducated anymore =P just slightly in some departments but it's only month 1 of studying bodybuilding again and really trying to stick with this for myself, and prove myself and everyone..
man i've held my eyes open and studied kai greene and several others like a mother fucker. i'm here to grow and be huge, i have the money even though i have to struggle and strive and work to do this, willing to do what I gotta do to be huge, but first my foundation needs to be built, gear is just that finishing touch. that's why I say "i'm ready" I may not be as educated, But hell i'm learning again. =)

fast48's picture

First cycle shouldn't be hitting prop yet imo. He's got two failed and needs simple before hes out multi pinning. Prop is 100eod and knowing six point pinning is key.

1-12 test e/cyp only
Aromasin
Clomid/nolva pct

jimmie's picture

I was thinking the same the same thing and laughed when I read
I JUST SPENT AN HOUR WRITTING THIS AND JUST REALIZED YOU WANTED A TEST E ONLY CYCLE
DAMM IT! THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION!!

fast48's picture

It happens to me tol when typing :(. Is good to see newer n eager guys helping!

will229's picture

Couldn't agree more. I worked my way from 155 at 6' up to 198 in 1.5 years before I decided to hit the gear. All with diet. Once I was done with college I could focus more on diet and less on drinking. At one point, I didn't even have a drink for over 6 months. Its all you have to do man. Only thing I would change here is possibly drink less water than 1-1.5 gallons. He's only 158 lbs, if he drank that much in a day he would be bloated and have zero appetite. Just a small critique! Other than that, well done brother, good advice.

fast48's picture

Drinking a gallon or more a day is simple. Thats just four gatorade sized helpings. Water keeps bloating down. Im 5-4 200lbs and doing it daily.

will229's picture

Well he's 158 lbs. I assume an ectomorph. Also, "gatorade" isn't a size. You mean 32 oz. and it would not be easy for this guy to drink that much throughout the day at that size while also trying to eat that much food. My only point was to focus less on water and more on food. When I gained all my weight naturally, water was an afterthought.

logan's picture

Absolutely right he can hit that 180 naturally.

jamiebavfc's picture

Check out

http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-the-safe-w...

This thread has everything you need to know buddy