posted Sat, 07/18/2015 - 18:16
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35 male 1st cycle Advice
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i need some advice, I had been diagnosed with low T and have been lifting for 6 years so I finally decided to start on gear, I've just started a 12 week cycle of test e 500mg and was thinking of adding deca. I've heard from numerous people that your 1st cycle will be your best so try to maximize it. If I start deca how many mg should I go with and how long, I'd assume after research about 250mg a week but it's also my understanding a 12 week cycle is too short to run deca,I was debating dbol but I want to avoid Orals. I'm looking to add as much size in the 12 weeks than after pct my 2nd cycle will be a cutting cycle. Any advice will be appreciated.
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deca is not gonna make your cycle better, food will make you cycle better. 1st cycle test is gonna work great.
You were diagnosed with low T, so are you now on prescribed TRT?
No, the dosage my Dr was going to prescribe me wasn't sufficient for my needs. I tested at 250ng/dl , a healthy male my age should be around 500 min. From the research I've done, my Dr was telling me 300-1000 was fine, 300 is fine for a 65 year old man, he wanted to give me 150mg every 2 weeks which was nothing. I explained to him I lift as a stress reliever and I could use a higher dose, he refused. I started on Test E 500mg split in 2 every 2 weeks.
TRT is a long drawn out process. They will start out on the low end of dosing, which makes complete sense and adjust dosing upwards based upon bloodwork. It could take a year to get your dose dialed in.
Really? He did not explain that to me. Needless to say I need to find a new Dr.
I came prepared with charts and everything showing that the low end of that scale is bascially for a 90yr old diabetic in order to plead my case to get my levels up higher to what the average is for a male my age. That is the approach you have to take. I wouldn't talk about wanting your levels higher because you lift and want to get bigger etc.
Thank you for the advice. I do find it disturbing if I have to explain what's best for me, I feel he should know that. My T levels are low due to stress, I explained to him I enjoy lifting but it's also a therapeutic stress reliever for me.
TronMajor rule of aas is one compound for first cycle of long ester test (C or E) dosed at 500mg a week split into two injections of 250mg a week... no other compounds. See how your body responds to test. Give it time and don't expect anything much until around week 3 or 4 when the ester has built up and your test levels are getting higher. All the advice simommagus84 gave you bellow is spot on. Just wanted to add that if you are a victim of low T you should talk to your doc about a script and see if he feel TRT is right for you.
I did, I didn't feel the dosage he was going to give me was sufficient for my needs. He kept telling me 300-1000ng/dl was fine. No it isn't 300 is the T levels of a 65 year old man, I tested twice 1 was 250, second was 310, he took the average. He wanted to give me 150mg bi weekly, that's nothing. My T levels are low due to high stress and I told him I lift not only because I enjoy it, it's also a stress reliever. I am going to take everyone's advice and stick with the test only for now. Thanks.
TronThese doctors piss me off so much with their "I'm smarter than you" bullshit.. They don't know half of what some of the guys on here know about aas and how it ACTUALLY works and affects the body. My dad at 70 went to the doc and they told him he had almost non-existent testosterone. What was the answer for that? 1 200mg of test cyp shot ONCE A MONTH!! That's just a recipe to fuck someone up good. My dad tried it for a while and his mood went up and down every month and said he just didn't feel "right". I talked him into 200mg a week and offered to order all the test C for him.. it's been a couple years and he feels great and looks great. Doctors are not educated properly on aas...
I lot of docs are no different in principle to a car mechanic. They have symptoms, then they go through a checklist of possible causes, knocking them out one by one with possible solutions. Where a mechanic checks and changes parts, the doctor uses drugs / scans / surgery etc. The main difference between the two is one of them gets told they're academically superior throughout their childhood.
Over the years I've interviewed and hired lots of Ex medics into research science. Honestly, they are rarely successful hires and often something I tend to shy away from these days.
Agreed, I feel my Dr falls into that category. When tested barely over 300 he told me that was fine. I did my research and went back and told him my findings, 300 is not ok for a male mid 30's and I am fully healthy other than the T levels. That's why I've taken it into my own hands. I felt weak, tired a lot and that is not normal for a man my age and I had to explain that to him In detail, I felt he should know these things. He is a very busy Dr too not a new Dr.
For a first cycle you will see tremendous gains at 500mg of test e administered 2x a week at 250 mg each shot for a maximum of 12 weeks. Ai should be ran as well, aromas in 12.5 Ed throughout cycle. Proper pct protocol should start 2 weeks after last shot and should consist of clomid mg per week 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20. I strongly am against deca being ncluded in a first cycle. It's hard to recover and the effects of a 19 nor will might not be appealing especially you being a victim of low T. The dose should half that of test. So 250mg a week along with a cabaser to combat prolactin sides. Just prop diet and test will make your life happy. I promise
Thank you, I am running Adex .5 mg eod. To combat the estrogen spike. I appreciate the pct advice, I assume the numbers you gave are weekly doses of clomid and Nolva as these are the same as what I've been told.How about dosing Hcg? I've been thru numerous threads and see so many different answers such as high dosing at end of cycle and others saying 500iu during wks 4-12. I am aware of side effects of deca (limp penis) but I've been told that's only if you aren't taking test. Again all the advice I can get I need, I'm doing a lot of research to make sure I do as little harm to my body as possible but after the last 2 years of seeing no gains due to my genetic limitations I had no choice but to jump on the gear, I love lifting but it's disheartening to work your but off and eat like crazy to see no results. So basically the smart thing is to stay on test only for now.
Like these guys have told you, for that first cycle brother you will be thrilled with just simply test E or C. You have never experienced anything like it.