Look here...asking for a diet plan AFTER stating you are gonna do AAS is absolutely backwards. I was putting my diet together for YEARS and training NATURALLY before jumping on. I learned how my body gained and lost weight by manipulating my diet FIRST. Now maybe I didn't research AAS for years...but I definitely did at least an in-depth six-month examination pre-gear.
But honestly...it's getting sorta tiring when people come in here and and say they 'need a sample diet plan..need some work on dat'. Diet is the most important aspect of training. There is a ton of useful info on it in the training and nutrition section...just do some exploring. And guess what...300g protein/day is going to be expensive, fact of the game!!
And that's a poorly planned first cycle...research some more and set up another plan.
Sort your diet out, 16-17%bf means you're carrying around 38-40lbs Of fat. Shed a good 15lbs of that with good diet and some cardio whilst researching what your cycle should look like.
Might not like it, but nobody is going to blow smoke up your backside and just tell you want to hear. Do it right!
Hey B, look man, ur 24 yrs old bro. 6'2 or 3 and 220. That's a good size and with that frame you ought to be able to put on some quality muscle. You say (weight trainin for 8 years now but seriously training and getting the diet thing is probably abt 4 of those years). That puts you at 20yrs old.The latter part of that statement speaks for itself bro. I don't know what your weight or BF was 4 yrs ago but if you were indeed seriously training and dieting you'd be on point w/ BF and would have some decent muscle. Sounds as though you lack discipline man and patience, I get that. Most of us do at that age and now you want to get big and ripped. However, you are about to make some major alterations in your body's endocrine system and more. So, here we are and we're taking a huge risk as we all do. Most here have said research, research, and more. You've taken the first step by putting yourself out here on front street by seeking advice and you are getting that and some bashing. It's all good bro, comes with the territory. I would take a step back and do what most here have said and get my ass seriously motivated to do whatever it needs to, to get on point. Take from here what you need and start there. It is not ( ITS GO BIG OR GO HOME IF U PLAN TO MAKE IT IN THAT SPORT,)It's be smart or be stupid. Now you have the choice, you can get big the smart way or you can get big the stupid way. The choice is yours. One has quality and longevity and the other, well you know what that is IF YOU'RE SMART!!!! I like what finafan gave you bro. Start there and BE SMART. DISCIPLINE AND PATIENCE. More power 2ya!!!
Its test cycle first round fool with a lil clom, nolv, and ai of your choice bro ya dig huh huh huh! keep that test lower to boy thats to damn high lf standard for first time man and your bf to high drop down to 15 or less then use gear man and have sex with at least 8 more women before you use roids man! cachow big boy
Your cycle is not a good 1st cycle. As far as diet control your carbs and fat. Eat around 350 grams of lean protein pr day and keep your carbs under 100grams. Just do a bunch of research. Keep reading until you know what your cycle should be,why your cycle is set up that way, and should you even do a cycle. here is a good starting point http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-n...
That's what I'm tryin to say, why everyone spoon feeding I don't get it. If he can't come in and say here's my first cycle and why, after doing some reading, why are you going to give him the drugs to do it?
u both are totally right with what u are saying. but I would rather give him a safe first cycle then him just putting some compounds together like he is all ready doing.
a lot of these guys are not going to research they are going to do what they want no matter what we tell them so I would rather give them a safe option.
I have given out 1st cycles too. I now think I was doing more harm than good. Look at it like this. You gave him a cycle that is good nothing wrong with it BUT does he know how to inject? Does he know that he might get tits? Does he know that when the postman looks at his wife he will want to kill him? How long has he trained? How is his diet? You can go on forever. Research alows him to find out what he is getting himself in to as well.
I apreciate ur concern bro but about the pinning thts no prob, i know its possible i can get gyno especially with a high bf but ive accepted that and i am gonna run a proper AI like aromasin,,, bin weight trainin for 8 years now but seriously training and getting the diet thing is probably abt 4 of those years,, I will throw in clomid in the mix also,, a bodybuilder at my gym told me all i need is nolva for gyno if ur planning to be in this game for a long long time (which i am, my goal is to compete) but for now ima play it safe with a proper pct,,,, and as far as the "postman lookin at my girl and me wanting to kill him thing" slow ur roll brotha its just TEST i aint on that Tren train yet,,i have abt a dozen buddies tht all started with that cycle i posted and there were fine n got great gains,,,,ITS GO BIG OR GO HOME IF U PLAN TO MAKE IT IN THAT SPORT, Thats my 2 cents.
Look man. You're a tall motherfucker and not that big. I know a kid who ran a first cycle of test at 300 with dbol who's shorter and would dwarf you. Just saying. You think it's all the gear. This kid works with my nutritionist as a team and my nutritionist is prepping a top 5 last year national competitor. But what do I know, I'm just some fucking retard on a forum.
Basically a first cycle, is always 500mg of Test E per week. for a 12 week period. then you start a standard clomid nolva PCT on week 14, 2 weeks after your last inject.
Dont bother with test prop or var. It is a waste of money at 17 % body fat, var is best you used under 10 % bf. Sticking with the test E on your first cycle is the only thing you should be doing. Furthermore, you need to make sure you have your diet and training on point before starting any cycle. This is something you need to base on your goals, and already have in routine before any aas are even thought about. Do a little more research, get the diet and training on point, and for goodness sakes bring that BF down below 13 % to avoid bitch tits, or other nasty sides.
OK bro good of you to post up your stats but there are a few problems with your cycle first this is your first cycle so it should just be test i would say like 500mg per week for 1-12 split in injections that way you know how your body reacts to the one compond and you know the sides second your pct should have clomid as well as nolva so like this
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
Ok Bro listen, Try this diet out for at the VERY LEAST 30 days to help lower ur body fat down for a better base for your first cycle,it wont cost that much, its high in protien,& will lower your bf if ya do it correct!
Meal1: whey protein shake 2scoops/1 egg/1 ccup oats/1 cup plain non fat yogurt, 2tbs cold milled flax seed oil,& 1 bananna.
Pre workout Meal2: 7 egg whites 3 whole egg w/ 1/2 cup of sweet potatos OR 1/2 cup of brown rice.
Post workout Meal 3: whey protein shake 2scoops 1tbs flax seed oil.
Meal 4 : 4-8oz of ground turkey or 1 Can of Tuna 1/2 cup brown rice
(Meals 1-4 are all before 2pm)
Meal 5: 6oz chicken breast with 1lb brocholli.
Meal 6: 2 scoops Casein shake with 100% pure almond milk.
Meal 7: 8-10oz fish. Tiilapia and 1/2lb brocholli.
Meal 8: casein shake 2 scoops 30min before bed to fire up the metabolism and feed muscles through the night.
This whole thing is about staying consistant in the long run bro and with the right diet for you,youll achieve ur ultimate goal brotha.
And Erase that cycle bro cuz ur gonna fuck your shit up!
Start with a standard first timer cycle and pct,,u didnt even tell us wat AI ur gonna run and ur pct is all wronge.
CYCLE LAYOUT:
Weeks 1-12 test E or C @ 500mg per week, split dose @ 250mgMon&250mgThur.
AI-adex or aromasin-
AROMASIN- Start at week 3 all the way up to PCT! @ 12.5mg EOD, 12.5mg ED (if sore), 25mg EOD (if still sore), & (if still sore) @ 25mg ED!
ADEX- weeks 4-12 @ .25mg EOD,if they get sore @ .25 ED, if still sore @ .50 EOD, still sore @ .50 ED!
Standard PCT- start 15 days after last shot!
Clomid- 100/100/50/50
Nolva- 40/40/20/20
Why include both of those u ask?
"Nolva-blocks Blocks gyno at nipples
Clomid- starts up the balls"
I'd also seriously consider dropping that BF down a little before you start a cycle bro. A couple of months of good diet pre cycle will pay dividends in the end.
X2 on what Juice has said. Too many compounds for a first cycle.
Slow your roll kiddo. Do some looking around here and see what your first cycle SHOULD be then edit what you got up top. If you can't find some first cycles I'll help you look.
Look here...asking for a diet plan AFTER stating you are gonna do AAS is absolutely backwards. I was putting my diet together for YEARS and training NATURALLY before jumping on. I learned how my body gained and lost weight by manipulating my diet FIRST. Now maybe I didn't research AAS for years...but I definitely did at least an in-depth six-month examination pre-gear.
But honestly...it's getting sorta tiring when people come in here and and say they 'need a sample diet plan..need some work on dat'. Diet is the most important aspect of training. There is a ton of useful info on it in the training and nutrition section...just do some exploring. And guess what...300g protein/day is going to be expensive, fact of the game!!
And that's a poorly planned first cycle...research some more and set up another plan.
Couldn't have put it better.
Sort your diet out, 16-17%bf means you're carrying around 38-40lbs Of fat. Shed a good 15lbs of that with good diet and some cardio whilst researching what your cycle should look like.
Might not like it, but nobody is going to blow smoke up your backside and just tell you want to hear. Do it right!
AnonHey B, look man, ur 24 yrs old bro. 6'2 or 3 and 220. That's a good size and with that frame you ought to be able to put on some quality muscle. You say (weight trainin for 8 years now but seriously training and getting the diet thing is probably abt 4 of those years). That puts you at 20yrs old.The latter part of that statement speaks for itself bro. I don't know what your weight or BF was 4 yrs ago but if you were indeed seriously training and dieting you'd be on point w/ BF and would have some decent muscle. Sounds as though you lack discipline man and patience, I get that. Most of us do at that age and now you want to get big and ripped. However, you are about to make some major alterations in your body's endocrine system and more. So, here we are and we're taking a huge risk as we all do. Most here have said research, research, and more. You've taken the first step by putting yourself out here on front street by seeking advice and you are getting that and some bashing. It's all good bro, comes with the territory. I would take a step back and do what most here have said and get my ass seriously motivated to do whatever it needs to, to get on point. Take from here what you need and start there. It is not ( ITS GO BIG OR GO HOME IF U PLAN TO MAKE IT IN THAT SPORT,)It's be smart or be stupid. Now you have the choice, you can get big the smart way or you can get big the stupid way. The choice is yours. One has quality and longevity and the other, well you know what that is IF YOU'RE SMART!!!! I like what finafan gave you bro. Start there and BE SMART. DISCIPLINE AND PATIENCE. More power 2ya!!!
Well said steele+1
Anonyou better research your tall ass off boy and then do it again and one mo gin after that
Your cycle sucks. Scan the forums and research. You should know everything about what your doing. Noone should be wiping your lil ass for you
Anonha ha high five and plus 1
AnonIts test cycle first round fool with a lil clom, nolv, and ai of your choice bro ya dig huh huh huh! keep that test lower to boy thats to damn high lf standard for first time man and your bf to high drop down to 15 or less then use gear man and have sex with at least 8 more women before you use roids man! cachow big boy
Your cycle is not a good 1st cycle. As far as diet control your carbs and fat. Eat around 350 grams of lean protein pr day and keep your carbs under 100grams. Just do a bunch of research. Keep reading until you know what your cycle should be,why your cycle is set up that way, and should you even do a cycle. here is a good starting point http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-n...
That's what I'm tryin to say, why everyone spoon feeding I don't get it. If he can't come in and say here's my first cycle and why, after doing some reading, why are you going to give him the drugs to do it?
Exactly. You have to do your own research.
u both are totally right with what u are saying. but I would rather give him a safe first cycle then him just putting some compounds together like he is all ready doing.
a lot of these guys are not going to research they are going to do what they want no matter what we tell them so I would rather give them a safe option.
I have given out 1st cycles too. I now think I was doing more harm than good. Look at it like this. You gave him a cycle that is good nothing wrong with it BUT does he know how to inject? Does he know that he might get tits? Does he know that when the postman looks at his wife he will want to kill him? How long has he trained? How is his diet? You can go on forever. Research alows him to find out what he is getting himself in to as well.
Anonreal solid advice for my fellow noobie +1
I apreciate ur concern bro but about the pinning thts no prob, i know its possible i can get gyno especially with a high bf but ive accepted that and i am gonna run a proper AI like aromasin,,, bin weight trainin for 8 years now but seriously training and getting the diet thing is probably abt 4 of those years,, I will throw in clomid in the mix also,, a bodybuilder at my gym told me all i need is nolva for gyno if ur planning to be in this game for a long long time (which i am, my goal is to compete) but for now ima play it safe with a proper pct,,,, and as far as the "postman lookin at my girl and me wanting to kill him thing" slow ur roll brotha its just TEST i aint on that Tren train yet,,i have abt a dozen buddies tht all started with that cycle i posted and there were fine n got great gains,,,,ITS GO BIG OR GO HOME IF U PLAN TO MAKE IT IN THAT SPORT, Thats my 2 cents.
Nothing wrong with wanting to GO BIG but it's a mistake to try and do it all in one cycle... I agree with the guys- RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH!
Look man. You're a tall motherfucker and not that big. I know a kid who ran a first cycle of test at 300 with dbol who's shorter and would dwarf you. Just saying. You think it's all the gear. This kid works with my nutritionist as a team and my nutritionist is prepping a top 5 last year national competitor. But what do I know, I'm just some fucking retard on a forum.
you are right we both are trying to help yes your way is probably better for the points u just pointed out and I will give the reroute a try next time
I'd prefer to reroute them, but to each their own.
hey u are right we both are trying to help we just do it different
x2 brotha,,, some like to reroute them
N make then do there research and some like to just help them as much as they can and im one of them.:)
X3. Agree with both you guys.
Didn't we all read read and read some more?
Shit I read for 2-3 years at least before I took the plunge.
I did not read shit. I listened to a friend. Well that friend was a dick and gave shitty advice.
Same here and there was NO internet in 1981
That is why you are so damn big.Picking up the stone tablets while doing research must of been a pain in the ass.
Hahahah... just made me spill my fkn drink again lol
Lmao.
Same bro. Wouldn't change that either. Still shit myself when I first took the plunge!
here is a first cycle, get your diet in check and get your self a A.I research them then u can start a cycle like this
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
Start PCT 15 days after last shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
NOVA 40/40/20/20
Basically a first cycle, is always 500mg of Test E per week. for a 12 week period. then you start a standard clomid nolva PCT on week 14, 2 weeks after your last inject.
Dont bother with test prop or var. It is a waste of money at 17 % body fat, var is best you used under 10 % bf. Sticking with the test E on your first cycle is the only thing you should be doing. Furthermore, you need to make sure you have your diet and training on point before starting any cycle. This is something you need to base on your goals, and already have in routine before any aas are even thought about. Do a little more research, get the diet and training on point, and for goodness sakes bring that BF down below 13 % to avoid bitch tits, or other nasty sides.
OK bro good of you to post up your stats but there are a few problems with your cycle first this is your first cycle so it should just be test i would say like 500mg per week for 1-12 split in injections that way you know how your body reacts to the one compond and you know the sides second your pct should have clomid as well as nolva so like this
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
Ok Bro listen, Try this diet out for at the VERY LEAST 30 days to help lower ur body fat down for a better base for your first cycle,it wont cost that much, its high in protien,& will lower your bf if ya do it correct!
Meal1: whey protein shake 2scoops/1 egg/1 ccup oats/1 cup plain non fat yogurt, 2tbs cold milled flax seed oil,& 1 bananna.
Pre workout Meal2: 7 egg whites 3 whole egg w/ 1/2 cup of sweet potatos OR 1/2 cup of brown rice.
Post workout Meal 3: whey protein shake 2scoops 1tbs flax seed oil.
Meal 4 : 4-8oz of ground turkey or 1 Can of Tuna 1/2 cup brown rice
(Meals 1-4 are all before 2pm)
Meal 5: 6oz chicken breast with 1lb brocholli.
Meal 6: 2 scoops Casein shake with 100% pure almond milk.
Meal 7: 8-10oz fish. Tiilapia and 1/2lb brocholli.
Meal 8: casein shake 2 scoops 30min before bed to fire up the metabolism and feed muscles through the night.
This whole thing is about staying consistant in the long run bro and with the right diet for you,youll achieve ur ultimate goal brotha.
And Erase that cycle bro cuz ur gonna fuck your shit up!
Start with a standard first timer cycle and pct,,u didnt even tell us wat AI ur gonna run and ur pct is all wronge.
CYCLE LAYOUT:
Weeks 1-12 test E or C @ 500mg per week, split dose @ 250mgMon&250mgThur.
AI-adex or aromasin-
AROMASIN- Start at week 3 all the way up to PCT! @ 12.5mg EOD, 12.5mg ED (if sore), 25mg EOD (if still sore), & (if still sore) @ 25mg ED!
ADEX- weeks 4-12 @ .25mg EOD,if they get sore @ .25 ED, if still sore @ .50 EOD, still sore @ .50 ED!
Standard PCT- start 15 days after last shot!
Clomid- 100/100/50/50
Nolva- 40/40/20/20
Why include both of those u ask?
"Nolva-blocks Blocks gyno at nipples
Clomid- starts up the balls"
BOOOM!!! Lol
I'd also seriously consider dropping that BF down a little before you start a cycle bro. A couple of months of good diet pre cycle will pay dividends in the end.
X2 on what Juice has said. Too many compounds for a first cycle.
Slow your roll kiddo. Do some looking around here and see what your first cycle SHOULD be then edit what you got up top. If you can't find some first cycles I'll help you look.