1st cycle, opinions invited
Stats-
Age:36
Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 230
BF:@15%
I decided on eq and winny because from the research that I have done, test on its own can reduce collagen synthesis by up to 80%, which is bad for a high impact athlete. My training will be split between endurance and maximal strength low volume high intensity training with a variety of implements (kettlebells, dumbbells,kegs, tires etc) but plenty of partials and supramax holds with barbells, and of course deadlifting. My main goals are to get strong as hell with endurance to match,and to get rid of fat (I'll likely do a clen/t3 cycle to get under 10% prior to using gear). I'm not interested in gaining more than 10-15 lbs of muscle, but would like to keep what I gain.
I was thinking 10 weeks:
1 ml sust 250 every 3 weeks
test 200mg/wk split into 4 50 mg doses
eq 250mg/wk split into 2 125mg weekly doses combined with 2 of the test doses
25 mg win MTWTF off sat sun (win for 4 weeks, 2 weeks no orals, then same dose/timing for anavar 4 weeks)
taper down doses to 50% of 1st over last 2 weeks
begin pct 2 weeks after last dose of aas
debating 500 iu's 2x wk of hcg during cycle or doing 1st week of pct 500 iu's hcg in 4 daily doses+25 mg proviron ed, then 2 weeks aromasin ed + 25 mg proviron eod, and daa, erase, and bulbine every day for 4 weeks. Won't touch clomid, maybe nolva if gyno rears its ugly head or if the test makes me bloat, which hopefully it won't at such a low dose. Plus from what I have found so far eq and winny are dry and unlikely to cause gyno, though everyone's results are individual.
Other ancillaries include liver support, fish oil, and a good multi.
I am aware that this is a long cycle for a beginner, but everything I have read says that eq is worthless for short cycles.
I would really like to know what the best form of test is to stack with eq. Many thanks to those who choose to read this and respond with some sage advice.
Regards,
Jesse
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Alright, I think I get it now. How's this sound?
12 weeks Test E 300 mg/wk, EQ 500 mg/wk. Wait 3 weeks for the EQ to clear, begin 3 week pct- nolva 25mg x 10 days, 12.5 mg 11 days along with PES Erase and DAA. Skip the orals this time around.
I'm planning a lab experiment with peptides sometime this year, I may use them (Mod grf 1-29+ghrp-2) pre-bed for some extra hgh release during cycle. Maybe.
Train like an animal. Eat like one on training days (ala Leangains.com). Take a good multi, fish oil, liver support, etc. Sleep whenever I can (beyond what I get at night.)
Should I be taking an AI like aromasin during cycle? Or proviron maybe?
Nolva sounds like a better option than clomid, the emotional sides of clomid worry me.
Thanks.
Eq needs to be at least 500-600. Would change winstrol to anavar.
Your an athelete so you need your joints. You dont want to dry them out. Mine got dried out from a designer steroid called hdrol. It was horrible...!!!! If its your first cycle then stick with a mild dose of test with a mild AI like aromasin.. Keep it simple.
Thanks for the replies. I have a hard time keeping track of what is what with how much I have read on this subject. There are so many opinions and not enough hard facts. One seems to be that eq should be used at higher dosages. I had considered an eq only cycle simply because of its effects on collagen synthesis and rbc count, but everything I have read says that test should be used as a base for any cycle.
My job imposes a high demand on joints and connective tissue, hence the attraction to compounds like eq and winstrol, and a strong aversion to anything that will potentiate the degradation of connective tissue and increase risk for tears/sprains etc. I already have a high enough chance of that without asking for it to happen (test only cycle).
As far as fat loss goes, I have been accomplishing that slowly and steadily with proper nutrition, training, and recovery- but I'm an American and I want results now!!! To my surprise I lost 4 lbs eating mostly MREs for a week during field exercises. It was pretty cold for a couple days tho.. Who the fuck knows.
I'll simplify pct and I still have time to decide before I buy anything, but the eq is going to be in this cycle either way... PCT is the hardest thing for me to get my head around. Some say SERMs are essential, some say no way, I'm thinking that it is better to have and not need (let labs be the determining factor) than to have and not need.
And to be clear, my main motivations for using gear is to speed recovery time, increase strength endurance and maximal strength/connective tissue strength. I am not a bodybuilder, but improvement of appearance would be a nice bonus, a secondary motivator.
In short order the diet will be mostly organic grass fed beef, free range pastured eggs, and homegrown organic vegetables. Right now it is the usuals- lean beef, eggs, chicken, fish, whey, milk, some fatty beef, broccoli, salads, 1 or 2 junk meals a week...
Thanks again, especially to anyone that is willing to help me out with dosages, timing etc. I'm not looking to use gear for repeated cycles (2-3 cycles max!), so I'd like to get a simple stack and pct right the first time. I gain muscle and strength pretty easily when I train on my own terms, which is definitely not the case right now.
Winstrol does strengthen joints but it also dries them out.This can cause even worse joint pain.Deca cushions the joints with water retention.I've found that for me if I run deca with winstrol I get fantastic results with no joint pain.As far as losing bf you would be surprised how fast you can lose bf with test only.The more muscle you gain the more fat you'll burn.A lot of guys out there think cutting gear is for losing bf but is actually for vascularity and hardening when your bf is already low.Test only will do wonders.Another compound often overlooked for joint pain relief is dbol.The extra water retention does wonders for my joints.I would run test e or cyp 500 mg a week for your first cycle.
Thanks for the info man. "Deca dick" scares me tho lol... I've also read that about the water retention which is why powerlifters love dbol. I found a "novice" test/eq cycle that I'll probably go with.
Also have base labs with the exception of estradiol/estrone (don't ask...)
Joints are gtg, elbows get a little sore if I do too many pull ups and that's about it. I'm nursing a groin injury but that's on the way out so I can start hitting it hard again.
Thanks again!
Looks like your looking for the gear to the work for you.Don't know why all you FIRST cycle guys think more compounds more results.TEST ONLY.
keep it simple bro