1st cycle is over, how long should I wait till starting next?
First off, I'm 35, and just ran my first cycle ever. I've trained on and off for years but I'm an EXTREMELY hard gainer. I've been skinny all my life so ever pound I gain is like GOLD to me. My profile pic is after running gear below for 9 weeks.
My Question is: How long should I wait before next cycle? I've seen time frames all over the place from a couple of months, to 4-6 months, to only once cycle per year? My goal: run 1 or 2 more cycles and hit 200 lbs after PCT.
Starting weight: 142 (previous heavy weight was 147)
Ending weight: 168
After PCT weight seems to have stabilized at 159
I ran 2 & half weeks of PCT but started to forget to take PCT pills.
It's been 2 months (12/18/13) from last test E shot.
Used
TESTOSTERONA E 250mg 10ml x 2
CLOMED
NOLVADEX
I ran 2 shots spaced out at 250mg =500mg a week.I tried to eat clean, but honestly could have done much better. Even with poor diet. I grew like a weed, everyone I know noticed. Women that have never looked my way before started flirting with me more then ever before.
Skin oil increased, acne increased a little on face, light on back and shoulders. Sex drive like crazy. Never really got tired from working out. Strength gains around 35%+ on everything. Leg strength went up 200%+
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Your time on + pct time = time off
so for you it seems like 3 months or so off.....
im an ectomorph also and always gain when doing 2-3 protein shakes per day with a rotisserie chicken eaten throughout the day on top of it. My grocery store has good chickens cooked up all the time. and Chipotle hehe.
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Thanks for all the direct links, I will focus on forcing more food/shakes into my system to see how much I can grow that way for a few months, before another cycle.
It seems like everyone is pointing the same direction, and I just need to keep eating...
the second one works now.... hit it again bro thats the one you will like best LOL
haha, not sure I'm going to jump on the blending tuna with soda. But I will try some of the other suggestions.
Get some bro lol... even my girl hammers these now she calls it TOKE hahaha
stunnerhrI in no way have as much knowledge as the gentlemen posting here but I can tell you from personal experience diet is everything. I thought I was a "hard gainer" but when I got my diet in check everything changed. I hit 220 naturally and I'm 5'10. Search the site for diet advice my friend.
C'mon guys he is 6 feet tall and 159 lbs! Instead of telling him how long he should wait and then go ahead and do another cycle, we should be giving him some diet advice instead.
yep eating disorder is the problem
I'm far from a eating disorder, I don't starve myself. Just probably not eating enough of the right foods.
HAve you ever tried tracking your kcals and macros with myfitnesspal.com ? It turns out eating 4,000 kcals a day is pretty fuckin hard to do if your not eating junk!you should check it out, and track for a while.
RustyhookerNice add!
I can barely stuff down 3,000 cals. Unless someone is actually logging their calories and macros, they have no clue how many calories and what the macro breakdown is. There is no guessing in this lifestyle. Myfitnesspal is the best I have found so far to keep track of everything.
Thanks guys, I've set up an account and started logging it. Just wish there was custom goals so I could make my calorie count larger and my weight gain goals larger.
Just use it to keep track of your target cals and macros. I don't bother with the goals. They seem more suited to the average joe who doesn't weight train.
Thanks Makwa, your right on point. I do need advice on how to get my diet on point. Maybe a link to something I should be aiming for every day?
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Here's one to start with there are plenty more
Mini, I can't hardly believe you could just forget to take the last 2 weeks of PCT. That would certainly suggest that you probably forget to eat on a regular basis, hence the hardgainer status.
You should wait at least another 3 months, and think about taking your diet and PCT more serious.
What do your after PCT blood tests look like?
Another 3 months is overkill... Unless, bloodwork deems another approach. Run some blood work and let's see where your levels are now.
6ft? damn with that weight I was hoping I'd see like 5'6" or something... We don't really buy into that "hard gainer" bullshit around here. I can tell by this post that you really don't understand the science of MORE FOOD = MORE BIG. I can guarantee you've been working with a weak diet bro, Eating BIG takes more training than Lifting HEAVY - 800 well thought out calories 6x a day will do more for you than anything you can stick in your ass (meh- a little Homo)
Lmao!! Don't think I've ever seen that lighter side of you, haha
Trust me being 6ft and underweight sucks, I've been like this all my life. That's why I'm putting fourth the effort to make a big change.
I'm getting bashed on for "not eating enough". I will put fourth a concentrated effort substantially more. And see if anything changes. Is there a way to test if I have a parasite eating all the food I intake?
It's your metabolism brotha. Means you have to eat more for the hormones to do their work. Next cycle, post a layout and ask for Advice. Include your dietary approaches as well as training. Then shoot myself, hw, and/or vike a PM asking to take a look. Trust me: we can show you how to dial it in and get you past that threshold you psychologically think you're at.
Damn right!
next cycle post? dude needs to lay it out now and learn how to eat a meal before considering a cycle.
Rule of thumb is time on + pct = time off
But pct needs to be just as important as your shots bro. Let's face it: you didn't just forget to take pct pills and then remember after it was too late. You either skipped a dose or two by accident and gave up, or you figured you felt good enough to say fuck it.
You are correct, I forgot a few doses by accident. Then couldn't remember when I took them last. Then I got a little worried what might happened if I started taking them again after being off of them for a few days.
'Preciate the honesty.
The best advice I can give you is to hold off on anymore cycling until you have put more muscle on naturally. You started a cycle when you were 142 pounds and 6 ft tall!! Just EAT man you will put on weight. No need to put drugs in your system at your weight and height. Once you hit about 200 lbs naturally is when you should start your next cycle. Not trying to be a dick here, but you have alot of room to grow before you should even consider cycling again.
I respect your advice, but not going to happen. If I was 25 and had "time" on my side. I would consider this an option. But with only a handful of good years left till I hit the big 40. I need to put in work, to get big sooner rather then later.
There is life after 40. lol. Trust me I am 43 and didn't even touch steroids until last year. I pretty much hit my natural potential so I decided to take it to the next level. Probably in the best shape of my life now. Put that mass on naturally. It will be much easier to keep and you will be putting much less stress on your body so you don't feel like you are 40 when you are 40. I think you would be surprised how fast you can gain naturally if you get your diet and training dialed in. You said you were a little sloppy on your diet last cycle. Tighten that up and you will be well on your way without any drugs. Drugs are not a shortcut. You should only be using them to take you to the next level when you have reached your natural potential.
Sorry for preaching.
RustyhookerWith your metabolism you gotta keep food priority or lose it.
Time on equals time off is the general rule. Honestly, sounds like you need to do a bit more research, especially regarding PCT before your next cycle. Forgetting to take your PCT will affect your recovery..
So one should wait at least 3 months after last shot, on a 10 week cycle?
And I know my PCT was affected, not much I can do at this point other then try to get it right moving forward.
hunteron20sTo be honest blood work will tell you when you are in a good position or not