+ 2 12 week Bulker (2nd Cycle)
Hey guys wats good, so i decided i want to run a 12 week bulker of Test E, Deca,and Dbol kicker,,, my goal is just to grow grow grow as much as i can in this bulker cycle.. Ran a 10 week Test E, test P kicker cycle prior to this and got great results with no sides wat so ever.. so i will start this cycle in about a month or so just wanted you guy's input on what u think i should change n watknot.:)
I KNOW ITS ONLY MY SECOND CYCLE GUYS "I KNOW" BUT I FEEL LIKE I CAN HANDLE A 19nor compound and deca is perfect imo for wat im trying to go for,,,Testosterone alone wont cut it for me "IMO",,, thanks for your help guys and tell me wat u think..:)
CYCLE LAYOUT:
Weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg a week,, split dose 300mgMon-300mgThur.
Weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg a week, split dose 200mgMon-200mgThur.
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED (split dose)
AI's- Aromasin starting week 4 @ 12.5mg EOD
I have letro already so can i use that instead of caber??? If so, what would be a good dosage for the letro??
PCT 15 days after last Test E shot!
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
STATS: age 24, height 6'3, weight 217lbs, bf% 14...
Planning to eat about 4000-5000 calories a day..
Nothing but heavy compound movements and cardio 3xs a week!
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I think you bf% is too high for the above cycle. Your going to struggle to control you estro levels with your bf and those compounds. I know this from experience:( Dbol will blow you the fuck up but it will be mostly water. Deca coverts really easily to estrogen.
Test IS enough easily. If you can't grow on test on your second cycle, your diet and training are way off and you shouldn't be in this game. How about test e only as you have it but front loading? Your ai and pct are fine.
You want to run 3 compounds on your second run and your 24. Slow down and enjoy simple test runs.
My plan is to lower my bf to about 10-12% within the next month or two and then start this cycle,,, about the dbol i dnt really care about the water bloat so thts fine,,, i actually had an interest in deca becuz i heard its good for when you got joint pains and injuries so thats why i was interested in deca and well of course it gives u good bulk gains,, but honestly im not 100% sure if ima run it but trust me before i start anything ima lower my bf down like i said,, im planning to compete in 1 year so im tryin to grow asap.
Ok guys i will be taking caber @ .25mg twice a week starting the first week,, will keep letro on hand and run the aromasin all the way to the pct i posted up there???
Now do you guys think my deca dosages are fine or should i lower it?
I'm with fast on this.. def better options than deca.. you could even experiment with a kicker and taper of prop which will make pct smoother
Man don't use letro for prolactin sides unless you have to, spend the extra money for some caber, prami, or bromo. Def keep the letro on hand in case it's needed of course
Yea i wont bro trust, im just lookin for the standard dosage of caber,, would u know?
Also do you think the dosages on the test and deca are fine or should i lower the deca?
Thanks bud.
For a 2nd cycle I honestly wouldn't tell you to do deca, I'd say EQ or something else.. But if you were going with this cycle I might say drop the test to 500 at max and the deca to 300.. You'll gain fine from that.. caber should be dosed .25mg every 3 days and if sides persist then .5mg every 3 days. Deca is going to shut you down much harder than your first cycle, just warning you
Eq for a second cycle might be too long as your looking at 16-20 weeks on IMO. Your right about the deca though. Harsh shutdown.
1jakd_hipyAlso, Aromasin is NOT a part of PCT, PCT is recovery, AI's are prevention
Bro I think hes following zewis,cdaddys,&GS pct,, they mentioned that its verry effect.
Im behind that pct and will be using it in 4.5 Weeks
1jakd_hipyYou're not worried about estro rebound from the Aromasin?
Adex has estro rebound which is why i'm using aromasin thru cycle and pct. Aromasin has no rebound as it is a suicide inhibito. When the estro dies...its dropped out thru the excrement. Adex has rebound because it ONLY holds the estro as long as you keep using the mefication. Aromasin also raises IGF1.....added bonus
smallguyWhat dose would you run on a test/eq cycle all the way through?
I would run 12.5mg eod and bump it up if u get gyno symptems..
I have an answer for you but seeing you asked fast48 i will allow him to reply first ok.
Will check back later.
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1jakd_hipyThanks bro, if I could plus 1 you I would
The aromasin doesnt have a harsh rebound bro. Imo
Aro has NO rebound
Ahhh even BETTER.:) lol
1jakd_hipyFair enough
I believe u will have a buildup of prolactin w/o caber. A vet can elaborate but I always see deca recommended at 2:1 with test, so half as much as test
So therefore i really need the cabergolin for this cycle huh??,,, i read somewhere that u can use letro or caber for 19nors that why i asked...
As far as the deca, should i go with 300mg a week since im going with 600mg of test e?
iv read that letro will cure the gyno from it but it is not going to stop production of prolactin. dosage would be correct, i havnt ran it so i dont want you to think im an expert on it...fast and jakdhippy have ran a ton of cycles, think massive has as well...im going to refer to them. imo, running a 19-nor on your second cycle is unnecessary; i especially wouldnt start with the long estered compound bc if you react badly you are going to be in hell for a couple of weeks till it clears. if you run npp and have a reaction 2-3 days later you will be straight. if you are dead set on it look for a vet to mentor you so you have all your bases covered.
No caber...no cycle. Above cycle is wrong imo. Prolactin gyno and estro gyno very different.
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Yea i get it bro,, was mainly just askin if letro was a replacment but i see now they work differently,,,
Whats the standard dosage for caber if i may ask?
i understand difference in gyno but havnt ran the compounds before, thats why i refer to you bud. im not saying im an advocate of him running the cycle...but i know that some people are going to run the compounds they put regardless of what anyone says. if thats the case and he is looking for help like he is now and not being a dickhead about it, i want him to be informed and have someone he can turn to thats experienced it all and can help him thru it. NOTE, i am not that person
You're doing a great job bro. You answer correctly the info you know and hold off where you should. That promotes safety and its always the best route. I refer to others as well. This place is radd when teamwork shows up clearly.
thanks dude. its an awesome place to learn
Anytime new level 1 ! Congrats!
Imo i would suggest to wait till ur 3rd or 4th to run deca, your still young n u still got natty test u can put to work to accomplish your bulking goals, ALL U GOTTA DO IS EAT EAT EAT BRO!:)... i would just take out the deca and run the dbol and test e and extend it to a 14 week bulker bro,,, just my 2 cents,,, good luck
1jakd_hipyLetro can't take the place of Caber, 2nd You could run a Test E only cycle at 500mg per week and as long as you eat, eat, eat and eat more you'll bulk no problem. Dbol is just going to make you look like a bloated cow and you'll lose almost all the gains you get from it. Remember this game is a marathon not a sprint, take your time and you can play this game a long time, rush it and you'll end up tearing something and putting yourself behind where you are now. Whether you want to bulk or get lean it's all diet. Stop trying to force it, it will come
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