----THIS PCT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE-----

i get at least 3 or more PM's a week about me doing a torem PCT. ive realized that these questions are based on a post i have about me doing a torem PCT, with out clomid. so i think i am going to tackle this question now for the masses.

I had tried to run clomid on several occasions with nolva. i had experienced all the the worse sides clomid had to offer. i even tried going with a lower dose to no avail. i was paranoid, irritable, depressed, my vision was awful, i had no appetite, and suffered horrid nausea after my clomid dose. I decided it was time to give up on the clomid. I was having some issues with some gyno from rebound. so i wanted to research something new to try. i came across torem. torem was originally designed to block estrogen in tissue for female cancer patients. torem significantly raised their LH and FSH levels while blocking estrogenic tissue effects. some tests suggested that it raised LH and FSH more effectively than clomid or nolva and even combined. also i wasnt a fan of HCG and the prolonged use it needed on cycle. so i thought this might also be a viable option for testicular atrophy and boosting on cycle libido from time to time. so my first time i tried torem was on cycle, a particularly heavy cycle of tren, test and mast, and within 90 minutes of 25mg of torem, my testicals dropped were looking great and i was really horny. i felt great. my testicals stayed normal for almost 4 days before they began to atrophy again. i dont recommend this as something to do regularly . i only do this when im really shut down and not quite feeling the libido drive my woman is used to my testicals being atrophied so atrophy isnt much of a worry for me. i had such great success with this, i decided after a little more research where i had seen a few other aas users said it was a good alternative to clomid for the same exact reasons i found during research, and decided to give a try during PCT. most people whove read my posts know my stand on HCG. i believe its only useful use is as a PCT kicker, a pct kicker typically is ran the last 10 days of cycle up till the day PCT starts, at 250-500iu week. so my first torem PCT consisted of this.

HCG at 250iu 3 times a week till pct
toremifene 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/40/40
i ran aromasin and prami through PCT also (this was edited based on new information from others who have tried)

the results were amazing, i felt great, sex drive was amazing, appetite was amazing, energy never diminished. my emotional well being was fantastic too. overall it was the best PCT i had ever done. i feel because of the fantastic appetite and emotional well being it contributed to keeping the gains i did, i kept approximately 90+% of the gains i made. this PCT was ran on a cycle that consisted of test e 600mg week deca 400mg week, dbol 50mg split ed and a anavar taper. i also did a short ester kicker on this cycle of test p and npp for 2 weeks

this was a personal experiment i did on myself because of the poor reaction i had with clomid and how it effected my gains kept. this is a non-traditional PCT, i do not believe this is something for everyone and if you do decide to try this it should be done so cautiously and make sure you have the traditional PCT compounds on hand in the event this isnt sufficient for you. i may have missed something or made a mistake in here somewhere, im rushing to get this done so please feel free to ask any questions or point out my mistakes

another thing id like to point out.
for those that like to run NOR-19's there has been some speculation that nolva may aggravate progesterone issues during pct. so torem is a great alternative to nolva during pct if youve done a nor19 cycle. but these cycles are ran with clomid and toremifene.

i am working on a new post that shows the amounts at which each effect HTPA function, raising LH, FSH and GNRH. most studies relating to these compounds are done on hypogonadal men (men with low testosterone) which in effect is what we do to our selves cycling