dude, no offense to crayon but i actually have torem and will be using it for pct this time around, but will definitly NOT be taking it alongside nolva. the logic in that is so flawed its ridiculous. research torem, you'll find out real quick its more powerful of a SERM than nolva, with less sides and actually has the combined effect of nolva and clomid protocol with just the torem alone. sayng you should run both nolva and torem is similar to sayng you might as well just take nolva at 120/120/60/60. completely unecessary to take nolva with torem, still debatng on whether or not i want to run a low dose of clomid with it tho. most likely not, but we'll see how quick my balls come back - if its 3 days like ive heard guys sayng, i see no need for clomid ... the less synthetic estrogen (what serms are) the better imho. ive read quite a bit on other forums about guys takng just torem, all positive, and little to none on addng clomid. gotta do a lil bit more research before the time comes, but i have both on hand so either way im straight. to reiterate, do NOT take both nolva and torem for pct!