@paradox

Now that's what the fuck I'm talkin about great info thats some crazy shit novadex and clomid both cause cancer, tumors, cataracts, increases estrogen and a whole shit load of other side effects, that's crazy shit

I'm not gonna argue with you anymore bro, I can tell that your not reading about the power pc t program because it's countering every point you are making. Also I have used the power pc g program many times with great results never had any hint of gyro, maybe both ways work, 2 roads to the same destination, I'm just interested in this whole process and found documented blood results with clinical studies proving that this works. I just wanted to know if you had any actual evidence like I have provided so I can read up on it

@Juicin14

There is no evidence to back up what u say. Infact just the opposite. If u read the info I posted all patients were documented to return to normal levels at the conclusion of the power pct. The dosages of hcg had no harmful effects like u claim, in fact the opposite like I stated. Even with the much higher dosages 2000mcg vs 500mcg. It is true too much hcg will shut u down and have the opposite effect but that is at much higher dosages. NOTE: THE POWER PCT PROGRAM WAS TESTED IN HUMANS ON HIGH DOSAGES OF DECA AND TEST E FOR 12 WEEKS, THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WITH MASSIVE SHUT DOWN, I WOULD NOT USE THIS FOR SHORT CYCLES, WEAK COMPOUNDS, ECT....

Alright I just found a post with a personal experience using the power pct program with blood work. So guys where's all this info about not taking hcg as pct???!!! Here's the post:

Ok this was partly published in anabolics 2008 and i wrote to bill to give the full results and exactly how the 3 drugs were combined here is the results.

http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf

Here is an interesting look into a 45-day PCT structure that resulted in full restoration of the HPTA... in fact, LH was higher than pre-cycle values after PCT. Forty-five days is pretty good for full restoration... they mention that PCT began after androgen cessation (testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate), so there would have been a few weeks where the gear was stll being metabolized and therefore delaying recovery...

in medical terms: human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (2500 IU/QODx16d), clomiphene citrate (50 mg PO BID x 30d) and tamoxifen (20 mg PO QD x 45d)

in normal terms: human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (2500 IU/EODx16d), clomiphene citrate (50 mg take orally twice a day x 30d) and tamoxifen (20 mg by mouth once a day x 45d)

Alrighty blood's are done the PCT power program work's. I have been on cycle for 9 months and I am back to normal in 42days. It was only 42 not the full 45 days as i ran out of nolva. Test was taken on day 50 exactly 7 days after finishing PCT program.

Cholesterol 3.7mmol/L (3.1-5.5) Triglycerides 2.3 mmol/L (0.5-2.0) HDL 0.8 mmol/L (0.5-2.0) LDL 1.9 mmol/L (0.0-3.5) CRF 4.6 (<5.0)

Full blood count normal: too much info to write!

TSH 0.58 mIU/L (0.30-5.50)

Fasting Glucose 4.8 mmol/L (3.0-5.5) Serum Prolactin 442mIU/L (40-450) high due to trenbolone use. eGFR 85mL/min/1.73 m2

sodium 143mmol/L (135-145) potassium 4.1mmol/L (3.5-5.5) Chloride 106mmol/L (95-110) Urea 4.8mmol/L (2.5-8.0) Uric acid 0.38mmol/L (0.20-0.46) Creatinine 95 umol/L (50-120) Triglycerides 2.3mmol/L (0.5-2.0) T. billirubin 6umol/L (1-30) Protein (total) 71g/L (62-82) Albumin 42g/L (35-50) Globulin 29g/L (23-38) Alk phos 76u/L (0-135) GGT 32u/L (0-50) ALT 26u/L (0-40) AST 21u/L (0-45) Calcium (total) 2.34mmol/L (2.10-2.60) calcium (adjusted) 2.30mmol/L (2.10-2.60) phosphate (inorganic) 1.67mmol/L (0.80-1.60)

SHBG 30.5nmol/L (13.0-71.0) IGF 86IU/mL (3-120) YEEHAH HGH BABY!

Testosterone (total) 20.98nmol/L (7.00-30.00) Testosterone free calculated 483 pmol/L (120-470) ABOVE NORMAL BABY! Oestradiol 124 pmol/L (40-162) FSH 3IU/L (1-8) LH 4IU/L (2-12)

Last edited by aqua; 12-06-2008 at 12:23 AM..

Yeah I just googled the power pct program and reread it. Everyone seems to be saying that taking hcg on your pc t will mess you up but that doesn't make sense to me because if your trying to get your natural test production back started then if you take more testosterone your just gonna mess your natural testosterone production back up. In the clinical trials they conducted they had success in over 100 different male patients in returning their natural test production and hormone levels to normal. Please pm any links u guys find on why u would take hcg during and not as pct. The article:

The famous PoWeR PCT Program by Dr. Michael Scally

Extracted from William Llewelly's Anabolics 9th Edition with permission. Notes, sources and authors information at the bottom of the page.

The PoWer PCT study ABSTRACT: http://www.aegis.com/conferences/Lipo/2002/81.html A more detailed ABSTRACT in PDF: http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf (HYPOTHALAMIC PITUITARY GONADAL AXIS NORMALIZATION PROTOCOL AFTER ANDROGEN TREATMENT)

The PoWeR PCT Program

The PCT program outlined below represents what I consider to be an ideal and effective post-cycle program. It was developed by the doctors at the Program for Wellness Restoration (PoWeR), who have a formidable history helping patients recover normal hormonal functioning following steroid therapy. One of the key doctors on this program, Dr. Michael Scally, claims to have successfully treated more than 100 cases of hypogonadism/hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism, and is very well known in the field of androgen replacement therapy. PoWeR published this program as part of a recent clinical study, which involved 19 healthy male subjects who were taking supraphysiological (highly suppressive) doses of testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate for 12 weeks. Their HPGA Normalization Protocol focuses on the combined use of HCG, Nolvadex' and Clomid, and is perhaps the only clinically documented post-cycle therapy program to be found in the medical literature (it is amazing how little attention has been paid to hormone normalization in clinical medicine). The most notable variation from a classic PCT stack, such that I have( been a longtime supporter of, is the combined use of two anti-estrogens. In this case I cannot say that there is disadvantage to such use; perhaps it is indeed the better option.

Examining the program closely, we note that the teste are hit hard with HCG at the onset of therapy. Its intake however, is limited to only 16 days. The doctor, undoubtedly recognize that when HCG is taken for too long or at too high a dosage, it can desensitize the LH receptor. This would only further exacerbate the post cycle problem, not help it. Anti-estrogens are used during and after HCG, with a dosage of 10 mg of Nolvadex and 100 mg of Clomid per day rounding out this compliment of drugs. Clomid is used for a shorter period of time than Nolvadex, likely because of the desensitizing effect it too' can have (on the pituitary gland) with continued use. Among other things, these two anti-estrogens will continue to foster LH release as testosterone levels start to go back up, as well as combat any potential estrogenic side effects that may be caused by HCG's up-regulation and testicular aromatase activity. Although in the first couple of weeks the anti-estrogens probably do very Iittlle as they should be much more helpful towards the middle and end of the program. During this clinical investigation: normal hormonal function was restored in all subjects,I within 45 days of drug cessation. This is a definite success far more favorable than the protracted recovery window noted in studies without post-cycle therapy, such as the 250 mg/week testosterone enanthate investigation, highlighted in Figure I. For me, I believe such a detailed recovery program should follow any serious steroid cycle It is the best way to maintain your gains at their maximun and that is, after all, what we are after.

@eric
U must b lucky cuz my nuts shrink ALOT instead of waiting 3-6 months for them to come back naturally hcg will bring them back immediately.

@madmatt
What I mean by proven is its the only pct tested in humans, I think. Like I said google William luellyns power pct program, haven't read it n a while.