posted Tue, 01/05/2016 - 08:50
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Test levels VERY low after PCT
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Before I did my first cycle, my natural test level was around 600. I finished my first cycle of test e for 14 weeks. The day after I finished my PCT my test level was 166. VERY LOW!
Can someone help me? What should I do?
Did the PCT not work?
My PCT was 4 weeks:
Wk 1 100mg Clomid/40mg Nolvadex/30mg Ostarine/20mg Cardarine per day
Wk 2 50mg Clomid/20mg Nolvadex/30mg Ostarine/20mg Cardarine per day
Wk 3 50mg Clomid/20mg Nolvadex/30mg Ostarine/20mg Cardarine/ 15mg LGD 4033 per day
Wk 4 25mg Clomid/10mg Nolvadex/ 30mg Ostarine/20mg Cardarine/ 15mg LGD 4033per day
And currently taking 15mg LGD 4033 and 45mg Ostarine per day
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That LD now !! Ultra suppressive
I would be more surprised if your weren't shut down. Where did you come up the idea to take LGD during your PCT? LGD is one of the most suppressive SARMS out there and you were putting Osta and Cardarin on top of that. Stop all SARMS and redo your PCT.
I'm not a fan of ostarin in pct, did it once and it was the longest and harderst recovery ever. What is the source of your clomid/nolva - research chems, ugl or pharma?
Also 14 weeks is a little stretch for a first cycle and you didn't even follow standard pct protocol, just went with the lower doses. Also no hcg? For such a long cycle I would recomend it.
I would stop all the sarms, wait 2-4 weeks( in the meantime get the best pct meds available- I recomend pharma), get bloods and try to reboot it again.
If you can, upload your blood results, make sure to remove ALL oersonal info, so we can have a better view on what's going on
Clomid was ugl
Nolvadex was pharma
I have pharma Nolva now, should I start second PCT now and stop SARMS?
I did follow standard PCT just added SARMS.
Standard would be clomid nolva 100/100/50/50
40/40/20/20
Don't start yet. Stop all the sarms. Osta can be supresive so let it all clear your body. You can ise d-asprtic acid, zma, vit. D and other natural proven test boosters. Don't go crazy with overpriced products pushed on some boards such as hcgenerate. Get some pharma clomid. Make sure you have enough of both for full pct. you could maybe do the 10 days hcg blast and start pct 3 days after the last hcg shot, but I'm not sure if it's still recomended. I haven't done it in a long time. Most suggest now running it along the cycle 250mcg twice a week, so research that. Also I don't know you fsh and lh numbers. Do you feel your boys are shrunken?
They were, slightly but barely noticeable, back to normal size now.
PCT protocol
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
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After your last injection when did you start PCT?
Should I run a second PCT ASAP? I have the meds for it.
Cycle was test enan, I waited 18 days and then started PCT.
When on PCT I like to always use Pharma Grade that way you know you're getting what you paid for.
I'd run another PCT with the proper doses then get bloods done again. I wouldn't run another cycle until fully recovered like mentioned you're setting yourself up for permanent TRT.
I'm gonna run another PCT from tomorrow. After the 4 weeks I'll get another blood test.
If my test levels are back to normal at that point, do you think I could start another cycle then, or would you start counting time off from then?
That's what I'm gonna do.
2nd PCT from tomorrow morning
Nolva (pharma) 40/40/20/20
Clomid (ugl, best I could get and has good reviews) 100/100/50/50
I'm waiting at least 14 more weeks til next cycle.
Also, I haven't noticed much strength loss. In fact, I deadlifted a PR just the other day.
Could that be the SARMS?
Keeping my strength high and test levels low??
Also, was thinking of starting a 2nd cycle in about 7 weeks, I guess that's on hold??
If you'll start another cycle in 7 weeks then you are heading towards trt. No way you will recover after that. Decision is up to you, you're a grown man, but think it through carefully.
Of course I will wait. 2nd cycle is on hold until my bloods come back normal and I'm fully recovered.
Time on cycle+PCT= time off
Starting another cycle in 7 weeks if not fully recovered is a bad idea.
bigmurphYes smart man I believe people run there cycles to close toghther thats the minimum formula
+1 madman
Agreed, now that I got my levels back, 2nd cycle is on hold until I'm fully recovered.
thetdog623837dont think 45mg of ostarine will help you reboot your test levels for a start. il have to let someone else with more knowledge than me to answer the rest.
Thanks. I just read it's not uncommon to need to run a second PCT. I'll wait til the experts respond, but I think I may need a second PCT.
Should I do another couple weeks of Nolvadex?