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looking for some new perspective on my current situation, Iong and the short.. been shutdown for three years with my total test under 200. It’s been hell. It all started when I stopped working the grave yard ( which really fucked me) I had symptoms of low t just by doing that job and not being able to sleep during the day. As soon as I quit my body and health returned to normal I felt and started a new cycle of test e, eq, and anavar. I literally took one shot and had insomnia that night which turned into 3 years of insomnia which has been causing all the symptoms of low t. I had blood work done a dozen times in these last 3 years and the only thing that has ever been significant was low test and estrogen was a little high. One doc gave me hcg for a month and it didn’t do jack shit. A year later the va gave me clomid and as soon as I took that shit I felt positive results immediately, but after 3 days and I took double the dose 50-100mgs and all of sudden I went right back to feeling like shit again. Took clomid for 3 weeks and couldn’t handle the sides , got extensive bloods done and it appeares the clomid more than doubled my test , but I also had insane high estrogen! Going to see a sports medicine doc at the end of month to see if we can come up with a plan! Should attempt another restart with hcg and SERM it just say fuck it with trt ! I’m gonna wait to see what doc thinks , but what you guys think about this ?
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If it were me, and this is not advice to you because you dont seem to understand anything you have detailed above and clearly need help, i'd try to restart, but peoperly, not the way you did
You should research the medicines you're considering in advance of your endo meeting, and bring a full bloods panel with you to the meeting with you or prefersbly email it to them ahead of time because you really need to invest a little time in cross referencing the various results to draw correlations etc.
The only thing I think is that you need to see an endocrinologist who specialises in Andrology and go from there. Don’t wast your time with anything else. No one here can begin to guess what’s going on given the complexity of your situation and symptoms. I would say that I highly doubt you felt anything immediately from clomiphene and this is likely placebo - side effects do including feeling moody and agitated plus visual disturbances are common. I also doubt one injection if test e/eq and one day of VAR would cause immediately insomnia that became long lasting so something else possibly psychological is going on here. Have you been checked for sleep apnea which would be a differential here?
Good luck and keep us posted.
Thanks for the feed back man , yea I know this is a rare case cause no one believes me but this shit happened and I’ve been fucked up for 3 years , I have seen every “ kind” of doctor , got mri of pituitary ( no lesions) my total test was 456- doubled from taking clomid after 3 Weeks , but estrogen was high like 64 , the only other thing that was out of wack was my DHEA sulfate was extremely high too but everything else was within the normal range! And yes I’ve had 4 sleep studies done and it showed I have mild apnea , wear a dental devise now and got a study done with it,it showed it corrected the apnea but I still feel exhausted and have low t so I don’t think that’s the problem. Seeing a sports medicine doc in two weeks , gonna hold off on trying to do pct again or trt and see what he Says. This shit sucks !!
Can you post up your most recent blood test results so I can take a look? 456 Test is not low and 64 estro is a bit high but easily fixed. Full blood count, thyroid function, IGF-1, blood sugar, prolactin, liver, electrolytes, ferritin - need to see hen all. What other meds are you currently on?
Oh and why a sports doc? What are you hoping he will do for you? Doesn’t make sense to me!
This is my bloodwork that was taken a week ago after 3 weeks of taking clomid at 5o mgs a day , I stopped cause I was having severe sides and couldn’t handle it , but like I said before the first 3 days on clomid I felt like my old self , don’t think it was placebo. I’m seeing the sports medicine doc cause he’s charging me peanuts for being a vet , and I just want another opinion on whether I should try pct again or just go with trt! Before taking clomid my test has been around 192 for 3 years just FYI
GGT , 12
T4, free ,1.51
DHEA serum, 241
DHEA sulfate, 425.9
Tsh , 0.850
Insulin, 4.8
Prolactin, 7.5
CBC , 6.4
Rbc, 4.47
Hemoglobin ,13.7
Hematocrit , 40.2
Mcv , 90
MCH, 30.6
IGF, 141
Triiodothyronine, free, serum, 3.2
Test , free and total , 496
Free test , 12.4
Estradiol, 64.9
Calcium , serum 9.0
Glucose , 90
Bun , 15
Protein , total , 7.2
Albumin , serum ,4.1
Bilirubin , 0.6
Alkaline , 70
AST , 25
Potassium , 4.5
Sodium , 143
Chloride ,103
Chrolide ,103
Dihydrotestosterone , 60
Really need to see your LH and FSH numbers. Is the Estrodial number a “sensitive” analysis? If not this needs to be done. Would like to see a ferritin number too. TSH looks weird like very low as does your T4. What’s the range based on the unit of measure here. Suggest you get a full thyroid function test done. Also what is your Body Fat percentage? A guess is fine.
There are other options if you can’t handle clomiphene side effects. But I still believe you need to find the right andrologist/endocrinologist to work with you on this. A sports doctor isn’t going to be able to do shit for you with this problem.
See if you can get the additional blood tests done per the above as well as a repeat of the ones you posted now some time has past and the clomid would have cleared. Pots these as a pic in the labs pic section and link it here so we can see the full results with the units of measure and the reference ranges and think about your next move seeing the right specialist.
Thyroid looks wacky possibly
Lowish tsh, optimal t4 but below optimal free t3... this is worth looking into
Look at ashwaganda and keto to bump test again as its a little low
The 2 combined are likely compounding oneanothers effects
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