posted Mon, 02/07/2022 - 21:51
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PCT Tiredness
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I ran 500 mg of test C per week the last 3 months. First time. 6.25 aromasin ed was a decent balance.
Now i am doing a basic pct protocol started today:
100 mg clomid split, 40 nolva split and my usual 6.25 aro, 2 weeks after last pin. Everything is pharma grade. Splitting clomid & nolva one in morning one at night.
Day 1 feeling tired as hell. & thats just after half the dose for today. Is that a normal pct thing from test rebounding? Should i not take anything in the morning? Maybe lower my doses? I was thinking maybe lower the aro to 6.25 eod but im not positive.
Would appreciate the feedback. thank you.
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I’m getting close to my PCT Protocol. This is my first cycle and I’m wondering how it’s going to feel I’m expecting to be tired and cranky. A friend of mine said he’s like his girl when she has PMS on PCT. I would imagine the AI is an issue in PCT as estrogen is essential and you won’t be producing it hardly with no testosterone to aromatase. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. I ran 300 MGS of Test bumping it to 600 throughout my cycle watching for sides. I did not take an AI whatsoever. Again I’m new at this but my train of thought has been less is more.
RustyhookerEstrogen too high stops your pct from working by negative feedback loop. Check my pct forum and others
Crashed estrogen can xause lethargy, dry skin, dry joints...stuff you reall should research just to know that many low e2 sides are same as raised e2....
Clomid nolva pct....
Makes sense glad for the community. It’s good to have experienced people that can help you learn. What did people do before the internet??
RustyhookerBurn out the natural system....
aromasin is a steroidal ai, stop taking it for pct or you will not recover. Thats why you are tired and sleepy because you are not recovering.
Its possible i slightly tanked my e2. But i took aro ed for 2 weeks after last pin and felt fine. It was the first day of nolva/clomid/aro when i felt like i crashed.
RustyhookerUpdate? Pct is gonna be a bit poopy. You come off gear feeling king kong to more cgems to reboot your natty self. Youll learn more as you go. This is one reason old farts suggest a couple test only cycles before adding extras. Less hassles and anyone can do great on just test
Havent taken aro for a week. So im beginning to think this could be sides from nolva
If your estro got to low, it is going to take a long time to build back up, especially during PCT when you are struggling to produce test.
I still feel like shit rusty. Tired, unmotivated. Low sex drive and limp dick. Just taking nolvadex now too. Still feel like sleeping 12 hrs a day.
RustyhookerYoure trolling. Roids arent fir you
Not trolling & thanks for advice. Felt fine on the roids. Its everything else i run into problems with. Like following your one size fits all pct protocol.
RustyhookerAre you really whining? Everyones done pct. Now youre on only nolva. This games not for you. Not doing bloods fkd you up. Live n learn
Nah. Not whining. You asked for an update. Im giving it to you. & you still havent answered my question about the bloods.
RustyhookerYou get bloods? Did you see my forum on bloods with handy dandy links to get the right one?
On pct youre not gonna get much other than current e2 and general health which is usually in dumpster after cycle
The handy dandy links dont offer services in my state. Bloods have to be ordered through a clinic or medical professional. I already tried going to one and they turned me down
Unfortunately we are just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks without any bloodwork. Just going to have to ride it out. If you do it again, drop the AI after last test shot. That is where I think things took a left turn if I had to throw some shit at the wall.
Unless you got bloods to prove you crashed it's more than likely side effects.
My guess, you tanked your estro taking aromasin after your cycle ended. Shouldn't need it once cycle ends.
thats what it sounds like to me as well. I know I have tanked me E2 before and I was CRAZY tired. like I wanted to sleep all day.
It's not the arom or Nolvadex....clomid tho can cause changes in energy level. 50mg per day for 3 weeks following a mild to moderate testosterone cycle is considered sufficient for Clomid. Take it at night with your Nolva will be best. No need to split it up, as it works best during sleep to stimulate the pituitary gland to increase LH levels and follicle stimulating hormone while resting.
Effects of Aromasin:
Hot flashes, hair loss, joint/bone/muscle pain, tiredness, unusual sweating, nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, and trouble sleeping may occur. And the most common side effect of Aromasin? Tiredness...............
So you are suggesting cutting the clomid dose in half & taking 50 mg of clomid and 40 of nolva all at night. & Keeping the aro.
Because im not talking “ i was a little more tired today than usual.” i was absolutely wiped. Had to sleep after like 1 pm for a half hour. And felt like sleeping the rest of the day including now.
Keep the Nolva split 20/20 am/pm and yes 50mg clomid at night. Arom whenever. You'll be fine and your body will adjust to the tiredness/just stay on a good protocol.
RustyhookerMy pct forum suggests 6.25 but if youre down low on e2 then you can drop it. Lethargy, dry skin etc.
This is just day 1. Definitely lethargic. So absolutely take those amounts of clomid & nolva, but possibly drop the aro altogether
RustyhookerDay 1 sounds odd but...dry skin? Low e2? Clomid nolva for sure, thats the pct
My e2 is super low I'm in my third week of pct from your PhD suggestions. I guess thats a good thing from our previous discussion. The only thing is I feel like my elbow is going to break when I do pull-ups or stretch it all the way out. Also I get these terrible rashy white itchy bumps in the evening on top of the dry skin itchiness. I can't wait for pct to be over!
RustyhookerDrop aro if thats on your list. Soon as any low e2 pops, aro drops. One good reason to create a post or friend request and ask. No reason to be miserable
Aro pct was marked for big cycles and folks that convert highly. All cycles and pct...gotta listen to your body. And week 5 cycle get bloods for 75 bucks and see everything. Ive got blood test forum posted with easy links.
That doesn’t seem right....
I know. It must have something to do with all the anti estrogen tho
Yes. No dry skin. Possibly low e2. I have had good energy throughout cycle. Even these 2 weeks after last pin felt great w/ aro only ed. Took the clomid, nolva & aro this morning and i feel more tired then i have been since before cycle. Is it possible to lower the clomid & nolva or are those standard doses?
RustyhookerIf you got blood tests during cycle...that helps right now during these decisions. If your e2 was on the low side...then 2 weeks without excess test but aro at same dose, you can drop that e2 down lower. The test half lifed and is used up. Aro is suicidal so it grabs e2 and doesnt release. This is where we keep saying...bloods bloods bloods.
No....clomid nolva is standard and they havent even saturated your system yet
What do you think about what Iron said? And about the bloods, Rusty. I cant get a private blood test in my State. Definitely not from the one that starts with a P. Its prohibited unless ordered by a licensed medical provider. Im sure there are other people on these forums that get around it, But i havent found a place other than going through a doc. Which id rather not do regularly.