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PCT Tiredness

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I ran 500 mg of test C per week the last 3 months. First time. 6.25 aromasin ed was a decent balance.

Now i am doing a basic pct protocol started today:
100 mg clomid split, 40 nolva split and my usual 6.25 aro, 2 weeks after last pin. Everything is pharma grade. Splitting clomid & nolva one in morning one at night.

Day 1 feeling tired as hell. & thats just after half the dose for today. Is that a normal pct thing from test rebounding? Should i not take anything in the morning? Maybe lower my doses? I was thinking maybe lower the aro to 6.25 eod but im not positive.
Would appreciate the feedback. thank you.

MurderHornet2020's picture

I’m getting close to my PCT Protocol. This is my first cycle and I’m wondering how it’s going to feel I’m expecting to be tired and cranky. A friend of mine said he’s like his girl when she has PMS on PCT. I would imagine the AI is an issue in PCT as estrogen is essential and you won’t be producing it hardly with no testosterone to aromatase. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. I ran 300 MGS of Test bumping it to 600 throughout my cycle watching for sides. I did not take an AI whatsoever. Again I’m new at this but my train of thought has been less is more.

MurderHornet2020's picture

Makes sense glad for the community. It’s good to have experienced people that can help you learn. What did people do before the internet??

IrishMack's picture

aromasin is a steroidal ai, stop taking it for pct or you will not recover. Thats why you are tired and sleepy because you are not recovering.

BZD's picture

Its possible i slightly tanked my e2. But i took aro ed for 2 weeks after last pin and felt fine. It was the first day of nolva/clomid/aro when i felt like i crashed.

BZD's picture

Havent taken aro for a week. So im beginning to think this could be sides from nolva

Makwa's picture

If your estro got to low, it is going to take a long time to build back up, especially during PCT when you are struggling to produce test.

BZD's picture

I still feel like shit rusty. Tired, unmotivated. Low sex drive and limp dick. Just taking nolvadex now too. Still feel like sleeping 12 hrs a day.

BZD's picture

Not trolling & thanks for advice. Felt fine on the roids. Its everything else i run into problems with. Like following your one size fits all pct protocol.

BZD's picture

Nah. Not whining. You asked for an update. Im giving it to you. & you still havent answered my question about the bloods.

BZD's picture

The handy dandy links dont offer services in my state. Bloods have to be ordered through a clinic or medical professional. I already tried going to one and they turned me down

Makwa's picture

Unfortunately we are just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks without any bloodwork. Just going to have to ride it out. If you do it again, drop the AI after last test shot. That is where I think things took a left turn if I had to throw some shit at the wall.

IrishMack's picture

Unless you got bloods to prove you crashed it's more than likely side effects.

Makwa's picture

My guess, you tanked your estro taking aromasin after your cycle ended. Shouldn't need it once cycle ends.

papa.smurf0311's picture

thats what it sounds like to me as well. I know I have tanked me E2 before and I was CRAZY tired. like I wanted to sleep all day.

IronMind's picture

It's not the arom or Nolvadex....clomid tho can cause changes in energy level. 50mg per day for 3 weeks following a mild to moderate testosterone cycle is considered sufficient for Clomid. Take it at night with your Nolva will be best. No need to split it up, as it works best during sleep to stimulate the pituitary gland to increase LH levels and follicle stimulating hormone while resting.

IrishMack's picture

Effects of Aromasin:

Hot flashes, hair loss, joint/bone/muscle pain, tiredness, unusual sweating, nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, and trouble sleeping may occur. And the most common side effect of Aromasin? Tiredness...............

BZD's picture

So you are suggesting cutting the clomid dose in half & taking 50 mg of clomid and 40 of nolva all at night. & Keeping the aro.
Because im not talking “ i was a little more tired today than usual.” i was absolutely wiped. Had to sleep after like 1 pm for a half hour. And felt like sleeping the rest of the day including now.

IronMind's picture

Keep the Nolva split 20/20 am/pm and yes 50mg clomid at night. Arom whenever. You'll be fine and your body will adjust to the tiredness/just stay on a good protocol.

BZD's picture

This is just day 1. Definitely lethargic. So absolutely take those amounts of clomid & nolva, but possibly drop the aro altogether

NormalGuy's picture

My e2 is super low I'm in my third week of pct from your PhD suggestions. I guess thats a good thing from our previous discussion. The only thing is I feel like my elbow is going to break when I do pull-ups or stretch it all the way out. Also I get these terrible rashy white itchy bumps in the evening on top of the dry skin itchiness. I can't wait for pct to be over!

BZD's picture

That doesn’t seem right....

NormalGuy's picture

I know. It must have something to do with all the anti estrogen tho

BZD's picture

Yes. No dry skin. Possibly low e2. I have had good energy throughout cycle. Even these 2 weeks after last pin felt great w/ aro only ed. Took the clomid, nolva & aro this morning and i feel more tired then i have been since before cycle. Is it possible to lower the clomid & nolva or are those standard doses?

BZD's picture

What do you think about what Iron said? And about the bloods, Rusty. I cant get a private blood test in my State. Definitely not from the one that starts with a P. Its prohibited unless ordered by a licensed medical provider. Im sure there are other people on these forums that get around it, But i havent found a place other than going through a doc. Which id rather not do regularly.