-1 PCT bogus?????
I found this sticky on another forum and wanted to share. It debunks standard pct protocol. THIS IS NOT MY POSITION OR WORDS just for discussion only Comments...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/an...re-712121.html
The Very BEST PCT for 2010 -- Right Here
I'll say it right now -- MAKE THIS A STICKY!!!
To anyone who doesn't know it, here's the deal. Read it and weep...
MOST PCT PROCEDURES ARE BULL!!!
How can I say that? Well, because PCT is nothing but guesswork -- granted, there's some science and some very clever hypothesis involved, but it is not a medical treatment simply for the fact that it is not recognized as a medical condition. So what some of the pioneers of steroid use did was make some educated guesses as to what to use. But almost everything was considered a "good idea" 10 years ago, has been discredited.
The first "prevenative drug was Nolvadex. This was the brainchild of Dan Duchaine. He was brilliant in deducing that gynecomastia was a form of a breast tumor and nolva was an ANTI BREAST TUMOR drug. But nolva comes with a host of side effects, including, lessened gains, lowered sex drive, bone loss,increased LDL and potential heart disease. And for what? Reducing the risk of gynecomastia which can be prevented in the first place. Evn Dan admitted it was a ty drug. So how did it become so por for PCT? Because the internet is filled with idiots who are promoted as drug gurus. There isn't one shred of evidence that shows nolva to help restore hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - . Not ONE. But old habits die fast.
Clomid? Don't get me started. It's an estrogen It does what estrogens do. If you recover using Clomid it's usually IN SPITE of it, not because of it. In some cases it acts as an estrogen antagonist -- if your estrogen is high -- and you're lucky enough to respond in that way. Feeling lucky? You don't have to. There's a better way.
The smartest PCT is a 6 step program.
Step One: While "on" use HCGenerate to lessen suppression.
Step Two: Use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - or HMG to kickstart your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - . This will not last however. The body must take over on its own, but this will help. DO NOT over use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . It will only lose effectiveness if you do too much.
Step Three: Use Proviron and/or Unleashed to lower SHBG and increase free testosterone -- making it as high as possible, even when suppressed. At some point you have to come off the Proviron but the Unleashed , which works similarly, can be used indefinitely.
Step Four: Use Aromasin to remove excess estrogen that may build up when androgen levels are lower and to allow the body to create more natural testosterone.
Step Four: Use POST cycle to detox liver, balance e and maintain erectile function -- VERY IMPORTANT when recovering. It keep the hormonal system working and that keeps the body making testosterone.
Step Five: Use Forma- Stanzol to keep Estro on check. If you're ultra sensitive to estrogen sides, add a tiny bit of arimidex. That's all you need.
Steo Six: Follow with BRIDGE to keep that "on" feeling. GEAR is also excellent to replicate the extra nitrogen that steroids provide. The 2 work great together.
There you have it. It's a little more complicated than just popping a pill of one thing or the other, but it's the only TRUE PCT there is. And the bottom line is ...it works. EVERYTIME. GUARANTEED.
Do it smart. Do it safe. THIS is the very best PCT as of 2010.
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AnonMAKE THIS A STICKY are not my words. They are from the article. I felt I should remove it but wanted to try and maintain it's integrity by not altering it.
AnonJust for the record.I've always run PCT after a cycle. Just never used an AI!!! Which as I stated in the other thread, I will have one on hand for next cycle. READ BRO!!!!
AnonHey Man, you need to slow down a bit b4 you start talking out of you ass. I posted this piece for comments. You however, assume that I'm in agreement b4 asking. I want to know what others think about the article.I did not say that this is my position. So, just take a chill pill man you're on the wrong train and headed in the wrong direction. Ask b4 you speak. Classic example of jumping to conclusions.
Look at what you are writing before you say that. I know that these are not your words,I only know this because I have seen the article that you are copying and pasting but not everybody has. It clearly states "you should make this a sticky" that comes across as you are stating that this is gospel.
I know im the local Dick here but here it goes.
You got advise during cycle....read incorrectly. Last night posted uber high estro.....and still argued that your way is best. Last night and on your other forums the proper pct was clearly posted. Now, i know this site is all about learning and discussion but your jolly here is simply debunking all the vets warnings. Yet your own estro post proves our points.
Why don't you listen? Why is everything thrown aside? Why's your cycle a mess?
I have read this before as well. I however have not seen it substanciated by a large group like the protocol recommended here eg nolva,clomid. In addition remember not to copy and paste complete articles from other sites, they tend to get upset about it.
i've seen this before and it somewhat smells of a sponsored dude repping his products.. alot DOES change in a few years. a standard hcg/nolva/clomid pct has always worked for me
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!...it stinks of that!...LOL.
lol thanks bro
Things change ALOT in a couple years, IMHO. And what are some of these other compounds/substances...like 'BRIDGE' and 'GEAR'??? Are they supps...or are they actually referring to bridging and using gear, like a blast and cruise?? And HCGenerate is trash...it IS a SUPP...full of herbs and extracts, I've seen the ingredients list before. Nothing special.
I agree with HCG(on-cycle), proviron and AI usage though.
they're products from NTBM
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/cart.php
ive seen someone post about this before, wonder if it works