posted Sat, 01/21/2012 - 06:47
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Nolva vs. Clomid
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Can Nolva and Clomid products be used interchangeably? If no, which is the better product in your opinion?
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Check out this link http://www.postcycletherapy.org/nolvadex-vs-clomid.html it should be helpful.
You are never going to find a clear answer on this (I doubt there is even a single answer). Just choose one route and try it. If you don't get what you wanted out of it, switch it up a different way next time.
My personal rule of thumb is C+N for longer cycles (14+ weeks), C only for shorter, but that's just me.
Do you need to take aromasin in addition to the Clomid and Nolva combo or is Nolva and Clomid enough. I had someone tell me that yes Clomid and Nolva are def the best route to go, as many are agreeing on but they also said adding aromasin would help as well?
Hey man, I am by no means an expert, but I've been doing a lot of research on this subject because I'm terrified of Gyno. I've had many people tell me that Clomid + Nolva is a solid PCT. But adding aromasin is suggested if you're prone to gyno. Try posting your own forum and you'll probably get a much more educated response than mine haha
So from reading the replies it looks like most are saying use both Nolva and Clomid. I def want to have kids, I am stocked up on plenty of both and just want to do the best PCT possible. So I will most likely be using both clomid and Nolva. I just hope they don't cancel each other out etc etc.
they definitely won't "cancel each other out".
I used just nolva after oral only (long time ago) and test 250mg ew doses. That worked for me and no issues with fertility.
Seems like most go with clomid plus nolva, and mild/average doses. Just search around the site a little . . . it's a reoccurring theme.
Anonnolva won't jumpstart your LH production in the pituitary..
Clomid will
nuff said.
According to Anthony Roberts PCT theorem Nolvadex aka tamoxifen is supposedly supperior because the same increase in test levels can be achieved at a much lower dosage level. He also opts for the use of HCG and Aromasin in PCT, by the time your done with his PCT it's gonna cost more than your cycle did. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I also get this from just reading the internet, not personal experience. I in fact have been sort of wondering the same thing and have lots of PCT questions. Why is an Aromatase Inhibitor sometimes used in PCT and sometimes not, why HCG or why not??? Is it best just to use them all or is it just a waste of money? I feel I have a lot more reading to do to figure it out, luckily it will be quite some time before I ever need PCT...
It still comes down to the individual.
Why AIs are more often used on cycle via PCT really comes down to your Test levels.
On cycle, test levels (or more generally, AAS levels) are high and there is probably at least one aromatizing compound in there in huge supply. So the AI makes sense there if you are prone to gyno, or just overall concerned.
In PCT, test levels are probably really low because there is no more AAS floating around and you are suppressed. AIs aren't as compelling. Some folks still use them, which I generally say "no harm done".
What is compelling during PCT is anything that can get your natty test levels back up. That is where clomid and or nolva come in. Different folks have different levels of success, but a mild does of both together seems to do the trick for many.
As for HCG, without getting too far into it (and I have no experience with it), I basically see this stuff as a way to help keep the size of your boys up if they are shrinking. I'm sure someone will go into more detail on HCG . . . that is my quick take on it.
mazarRoids tend to make us sterile. Although clomid has a tonne of sides and is unpleasant you will find that most docs prescribe it to restart a mans balls and sperm production. If you run a heavy cycle it is wise to use clomid at the end for fertility purposes. Nolva is stronger and it does boost natural test despite contrary belief but imo you should't put all your eggs in one basket. Clomid is more spermatogenic and nolva will boost your natural test up to 60% which is a great combo for pct esp if you are worried about having kids in the future.
ill make it easy for you. nolva is like asprin to a headache it doesnt take away the headache it just dampen the effects...estrogen being the headache effects being the sides. clomid, in my personal opinion is a totally different field, however it will suppress estrogen, not get rid of it, it is generally used to promote endogenous test, nolvadex does a better job at suppressing the estrogen however if your looking for a morphine shot (relating to the analogy of a headache)arimidex will actually cease estrogen production via aromatase inhibition. in the long haul i would use nolva and clomid for the PCT and arimidex (lightly) as a cycle support
tamoxifen does virtually nothing to re-stimulate natty test and clomid doesn't block out estrogen sides in the way a true AE/AI does
Most use both but each one has a specific function
A lot of people use both at the same time.Just like any prescription medicine though it will effect people a little differently.Reading about how the product works on people in general is a start then figuring out how they effect you specifically is the next step.A lot of people for instance that are prone to gyno need to use a more powerful antiestrogen like arimidex.
Jtizzlemg per mg nolva is stronger ... but I would suggest just doin some homework and learnin. there is a wealth of info on these compounds out there on the interweb