posted Sat, 02/23/2013 - 02:45
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Wil be running sust and Deca. I always had a problem with nipples getting sensitive through my cycle and after how should I run my clomid and HCG. I was thinking running 50-100 mg Ed and 250 iu every week of HCG?
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hcg from the start on a 19. save your clomid for pct.
Deca? Sensitive nipples?
You're high on prolactin: Go read this => http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/how-to-contro...
Ok, i need to ask a few questions before i advise;
Stats
Age: 36
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 240
BF: ?
Cycle history?
Current cycle layout?
AI?
I've ran cycle in the past off and on. Running1cc of Deca and 1cc of sust every week. I don't know what you mean by BF? Or Al? Being that I'm a newbie to the website.
Can you list your previous cycle layouts...
How long are you running the sustanon for?
How long are you running the deca for?
What dosage is the sus?
What dosage is the deca?
BF% = Body Fat Percentage...what's yours?
AI = Aromatase Inhibitor, these are compounds like arimidex, aromasin, letrozole, prami, caber...which are you running on cycle?
Sust 35O
Deca 200
Bf% I don't know but I'm not a pig or oout of shape? Never really been away from the gym just not hitting as hard as I used to. Having low T has started to take its effect on my drive.
Started first injection of sust Monday and Deca injection Thursday.
Al none as of now? Just the clomid
How do you know your test is low? What were your levels at when they were checked?
Yes I was tested at 253 and total free testosterone was at 160 and test was done a month ago through kaiser.
That's low. Did they not discuss TRT options with you?
No kaiser sucks the said I was within range and I didn't need treatment. To say the least I was pretty pissed and disappointed. There range for normal levels is between 250 to 700 rediculous!
That's rediculous. You definitely could use replacement therapy and it sounds like you're gonna have to do it yourself. TRT means you never have to run any pct because it won't do you any good anyways. Become familiar with AI's, how they function and why you need them. Keeping estro related sides in check is gonna be your biggest concern while running test. I've been on TRT for a while. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions.
I will thanks BUD!
How long are you planning on running the cycle for?
Have you had any bloodwork done?
Are you injecting the sus once a week?
Are you injecting the deca once a week?
What is your cycle history (this is my third time asking you this very same question)
Clomid is not an AI.
An AI is mandatory for all cycles, in the same way that PCT is mandatory for all non-TRT users. - You can either use Arimidex or Aromain, both are perfectly acceptable forms of AI for this cycle. Adex 0.25mg E3D, Asin 12.5mg EOD, and increase the dosage if sides appear.
Nolvadex - increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone. And also helps block estrogen. However, it helps your body increase your sperm count because of that. In fact the bad thing about Nolvadex unlike Clomid is that it doesn’t on its own increase sperm count or their motility. However, you still needed it because it does increase your LH and FSH which we need for healthy testis.
Both nolva and clomid play two different roles in your PCT, thats why we combine the two and even more recently the three (with the addition of aromasin) to optimise our recovery from the synergy between the three compounds.
So in addition to running an AI like Arimidex or Aromasin to take care of estrogen, we must also run ancillaries to take care of prolactin. Our most common choices are Cabergoline, Bromocriptine, and Pramipexole. Typically Cabergoline is recommended since it is easy to dose and must only be taken once or 2x a week. [How to control prolactin](http://www.eroids.com/og/intermediate-cycles/how-to-control-prolactin
Why an AI:
Taking into consideration that our androgen levels are well in excess while on cycle, the fact arises that the potential for excess estrogen dramatically increases. By allowing estrogen levels to rise uncontrollably, we are opening ourselves up to a host of symptoms associated with high estrogen. Outside of the risks of gyno, there is also the concern of sexual dysfunction. How many times do we see comments or reviews where a lesser experienced user is claiming bunk gear due to decreased of libido? Often times digging a little deeper into the cycle log or history of this individual, we will find an improper cycle and AI issues. Although some of the symptoms are minor, with gyno and libido issues being the greatest concern, there is no need IMO to experience any of these sides if they can be avoided. Considering that once you have gyno, the only way to get rid of it is through surgical removal, we should realize that these sides are much easier to prevent than they are to reverse. The AI’s main role here is to achieve greater hormonal balance and provide control for the user so as to avoid the occurrence of sides. AI: as needed or necessary? (By: Dossier and P)
Here's when I dose;
-AI's > Aromasin: In the Morning
-PCT > Clomid: Throughout the day
-PCT > Nolva: At Night
Why:
Free testosterone has reached a peak in the late morning until around mid-day when the sun has risen, this is why you wake up with 'morning wood'); so to capitalise upon the daily peaks in your free testosterone, I dose my aromasin in the morning. This will prevent any peaks in my estrogen throughout the day (since its half life is ~27 hours) and it will also further increase the amount of free testosterone in my system, since aromasin removes the binded testosterone from your sex hormone binging globulin (SHBG).
I dose my clomid throughout the day, because clomid is highly surpressive, it gets me emotional if i take a high dose all at once. Also i want to keep my blood levels as stable as possible to prevent any further sides.
My nolvadex dose is taken before i go to bed at night, since this is when estrogen is peaked in the human body. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen, so while im sleeping, the estrogen is under control, which also aids my testosterone peaks the next morning.
Further reading:
Deca dick/N-Pee-Pee...Let me see
AI / PCT: Dosing Protocol
Pre-Cycle Protocol
Hey bro, this is some of the best breakdowns on Prolactin and AI that I have ever read. I am going to be incorporating Hulks HCG,nolva and Armidex for the 1st time in this cycle. I have done prolly about 8 cycles in my time but the one I did last fall I starting getting some serious gyno and other sides. I'm thinking my age may have something to do with it too. (i'm 43)Normally the Nolva and clomid would get me back on track but not this time. So I have loaded up with the PCT items so I can do this cycle right without having to trash the whole cycle due to some estrogen problems half way thru. I am seriously going to print this out to give me a great guideline to follow. Really appreciate the time you put in.
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No problem, enjoy your cycle and keep me updated.
i will ..thank you
How long are you planning on running the cycle for? 10 to 12 weeks
Have you had any bloodwork done?
Yes test was at 253 and total free test 160
Are you injecting the sus once a week?
Yes 1cc of each once a week
What is your cycle history (this is my third time asking you this very same question)
I have always done about the same kind of cycles always really kept with a testosterone and Deca. I've always taken tamoxifen and nothing else and then HCG at the end. Just trying to find a better way of doing things as I am not as young as I used to be.
Thank you for you help and for the great information it is very appreciated!
Ok, so your cycle looks like this;
Week 1-12 Sustanon 350mg/wk
Week 1-12 Deca 200mg/wk
Now, there's a few things i would like to add to this cycle to make sure its a perfect run.
There's a lot of confusion when people are talking about sustanon and pinning frequency and from my experience there are two schools of thought. Number 1 is to pin the sustanon EOD, this technique is now my favorite technique as you are optimising all of the ester variants while also keeping your blood levels as stable as possible. Number 2 is to pin E3D or twice a week like test enanthate, this is a limiting protocol since you are creating volatile blood levels unnecessarily and in fact if you don't feel you can pin EOD for a 12 week period then i would suggest you switch the sustanon for test enanthate or test cypionate.
Pinning the deca once a week is also an issue, although deca is a long estered compound, we pin as regularly as logically possible to maintain stable blood levels and this in turn will prevent an increase in the risk of side effects experienced from an inferior pinning protocol.
Have you had any problems with deca-dick?
My cycle advice would be as follows;
Option 1
Week 1-12 Sustanon 150mg/EOD
Week 1-12 Deca 200mg/wk (split into 2 injections - mon and thurs)
Week 3-14 Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD (increase dosage to ED if estrogen sides appear)
Week 3-14 Caber, letro, prami, bromo (choose one and follow the dosing protocol - How to control prolactin
(Week 13-14 Testosterone Propionate 100mg/EOD)
PCT - Begin on week 15, 3 days after last prop shot
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Option 2
Week 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate OR Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/wk (split into 2 injections - mon and thurs)
Week 1-12 Deca 200mg/wk (split into 2 injections - mon and thurs)
Week 3-14 Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD (increase dosage to ED if estrogen sides appear)
Week 3-14 Caber, letro, prami, bromo (choose one and follow the dosing protocol - How to control prolactin
(Week 13-14 Testosterone Propionate 100mg/EOD)
PCT - Begin on week 15, 3 days after last prop shot
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Pre-Cycle Protocol
Thank you again it means more to me to do things correctly these days not only for myself but my family. Awesome information couldn't be more happy with the information given!