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+ 7 Deca dick/N-Pee-Pee...Let me see

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After a couple of recent posts from eroiders using deca, i decided to make a post about the topic entitled in this post, while also providing some pointers that in my experiences have helped with deca-dick or n-pee-pee.

Here is my roster:

1) Stats are fundamental
2) Cycle History?
3) AI Availability
4) Cabergoline and Letrozole: A brief inro
4) Deca:Test ratio
5) A brief insight into test and tren
6) A brief insight into test and deca
7) PCT Protocol (G+C+Z's)
7) Deca facts
8) Deca opinions
9) Harrrrrd PCT
10) High dose vs. Low Dose Deca

First and foremost are stats, to depict whether this person is actually fit for a 19-nor-progesterone compound. Additionally, a cycle history is equally as important, since you don't really want a 19 year old, 110lbs guy to run deca at 800mg for 6 weeks with anavar and 24% BF.

Stats
Age: ?
Height: ?
Weight: ?
BF: ?
Cycle History

Additionally, while using 19-nor-progesterone compounds, AI's use during the cycle is mandatory. AI's such as Aromasin or Arimidex should be used alongside Letrozole or Cabergoline.

Caber and letro would be used in addition to an AI (such as asin adex - caber and letro are also AI's but are much stronger variants). An AI controls the oestrogen production and caber is an anti-prolactin used for 19 norprogesterone compounds such as npp, tren or in this case deca

Deca is generally ran at a 2:1 ratio of test:deca respectively

The difference between test and tren (in short) is that they will fight for the same receptors. However, tren is significantly stronger and more successful at gaining those receptors when compared to test. As a result of the aforementioned fact, the result of running test and tren at equal to high dosages are basically redundant, since the result will be an increase in wastage of the test.

Moreover, tren is highly suppressive of male testosterone production if present in the system - even at low levels. Since normal male estrogen levels are provided through aromatisation of testosterone, natural test production is highly suppressed in a trenbolone cycle, whereas estrogen levels generally fall below normal. As a result, this typically is very problematic with mood swings, changes in libido and joint issues.

In contrast, the aforementioned test/tren rule does not follow suit when test/deca/npp is concerned - regardless of both being 19-norprogesterone compounds. Thus, the protocol recommended with deca is high test and low deca. Additonally, another reason to drop the deca completely (and why some eroids members tend to avoid deca) is the high aromatisation levels associated with deca. However, there is a benefit to deca when one is running an AI during the cycle, such as Aromasin or Arimidex, as this helps to block that process.

Additionally, Deca is preferred in some cases, even though it is very suppressive - thus at the ending phase of the cycle ones hormone levels may take a longer time to recover. Furthermore, as a result of the aforementioned statement, I would consider hCG with your cycle - as long as you have an AI at hand to help increase the recovery process and reduce the aromatisation activity of the hCG.
Also, consider following Cdaddy7, GS's and Zewi's PCT protocol.

G&C’s Ultimate PCT:

12.5mg Daily continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily

Zewi’s Ultimate Tweak PCT:

12.5mg EOD continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
You may consider running 6.25mg EOD on Weeks 1-4 if you feel 12.5mg is too strong. As suggested by Zewi

Additionally, deca is a universal compound, whereby it at high dosages it is considered a bulking compound and in contrast, at a low dose is a cutting compound.

Remember to stop the deca two weeks before you drop the test.

References:
(http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/announcing-gc...)

Hope this helps,
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hyphy_beast's picture

Great post! Just curious tho, did I miss the harrrd pct, and high vs low dose?

Roid Noid's picture

LISTEN UP FELLAS, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ACCUSE PEOPLE OF COPY AND PASTE THEN GO OUT AND FIND IT AND PROVE IT, DONT BE STARTING SHIT AND TRYING TO GET MODS INVOLVED IN YOUR THEORIES. IF YOU DONT KNOW THEN SHUT UP.

roflbbq's picture

nice. i learnt something.

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Love this. Just one question. How much carber should be run alongside your ai? Or should it be just kept in hand?

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Use an AI like asin/adex during your cycle and if prolactin issues arise from the 19-nor-progesterone compound either hit up caber/letro.

Caber standard protocol is 0.25mg E3D

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Nice one, just checking:)

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The idea is to have either asin/adex on hand as an AI during the cycle and if sides appear from the 19-nor-progesterone compound, the user would then incorporate a stronger aromatise inhibitor such as caber/letro.
Hope this clarifies the point bro

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I hope this answers your question...

Here's my roster for your answer:

1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion

Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).

However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen level under control (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.

As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has therefore been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option.

Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.

A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.

To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.

No problem bro, hope this helps

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Loving all these new reference posts!...Just pray to god somebody spends some quality time reading them!

sic26's picture

Had a question v not trying to start just curious how this guy get ban he had great post did he f up down the line or what no disrespect just wanted to know???

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TheFlash85's picture

just a heads up mate, don't question a mod, if he got ban he got ban, its not really anyone elses concern, worry about yourself not getting ban.

sic26's picture

No I was just saying he makes real good post that's it nothing disrespectful guess now I shouldn't of asked

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Nitti's picture

That would be nice, but i'm skeptical. They just simply don't read

EMAC's picture

Good read.

P's picture

LMAO, love it brutha!
Appreciate it bro - hope you don't press plagiarism charges for the PCT Smile

Carlos Danger's picture

U have mail bro. Great post +3