End cycle and pct help
Hey, I'm 29, 6'1" 220 lbs. Im on my 3rd cycle.
This cycle is a little longer than expected at 20 weeks due to baggage getting lost with pct in it.. I have been taking 800mg a week of t400 the entire time with anadrol in the beginning for the first 2 weeks and tren ace 300mg a week mid cycle for 3 weeks and am ending with anadrol again for 2 weeks 50mg ed. I have started taking hcg at 500iu twice a week for the last 4 weeks of cycle. I was gonna end my hcg,t400,anadrol on the same date then wait 2 (or 3?) weeks to start my pct of chlomid 100/100/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20. Should I do another 5000iu of hcg over 10 days before pct but after 15 days after last inject? Or should I do 10000iu? or not even do it at all? Some say to do test prop up until 3 Days before pct.. But won't that interfere with the hcg blast before pct? And if I do the hcg for 10 days 15 days after last inject but before pct then technically I'm starting pct 25 days after last inject.. Isn't that too long?
Any advice would be great cause I can't se to get a solid answer. Thanks guys
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
AnonYou shouldn't introduce the adrol the last two weeks. Cycle this long has to have you completely shut down. I have some questions. How well has your testes responded to your HCG use? Have you avoided atrophy? Have you been using an AI to control your E2? You should get some bloods to see where your E2 is at. You may need to run an AI into pct if your levels are high.
I've been taking .5mg of arimidex eod throughout entire cycle and upped it to .5 every day since tren started giving me some signs of gyno. The hcg I felt right away, def a good boost and made me extremely horny. Atrophy is not too bad, def got a little smaller but are back pretty quick with the hcg.
Why no anadrol at the end? Why not finish strong with something that doesn't linger in my system?
AnonCuz you've been on for almost 5 months. Anadrol is a DHT which itself causes a shutdown. It's basically just adding some lighter fluid to a fire that's going pretty good. It's just my opinion that it's really unecessary as the gains leave as quickly as you get them. Anadrol gains aren't very long lasting bro.
Well back to the original question about HCG use. Since its Good I really don't think you'll need a blast. Keep running a maintenance dose until your last injection. I would consider dropping the test400 and switching to prop for the last three weeks. It will allow you to start pct much faster that way. Otherwise 3wks is a good timeframe to wait after your last injection of t400 before starting pct. There are different esters in the t400 so based on your saturation it could very easily stay in your system in amounts large enough to affect your pct meds negatively in the standard two weeks wait time after last injection. There's been some good information based on metabolization rates and lingering exogenous hormone remaing in your system that will cause your pct meds to not work effectively. Roll tide has a good thread on this topic. It was a good read
So would doing a blast be a bad idea, or just not necessary? Should I do it just to cover all bases, just in case?
Also, I don't have any access to prop but I have drol and some var on hand.. Can I just run that a week past last inject to counteract any crash that could occur? I'm planning on waiting 3 weeks after last inject for sure.
You have been on a long time, bad idea. I recommend hitting that clomid at 150 for the first few days or even a week. Then run the clomid and Nolva 6 weeks. Do a little bit of praying for good measure..
Awesome thanks for the reply! Did you continue taking the prop while doing the 10 day hcg blast?
You are welcome...and yes I did.
"Any advice would be great cause I can't se to get a solid answer. Thanks guys"
I am not an expert...but I can share with you what I have done with success. I am currently off cycle for about 7 weeks and my erections are "good" and my strength has been holding up. Still benching 315 for two sets of 8 reps, which was about what I was doing while "on."
I was using test e @ 800 mg week for 16 weeks. Last 45 days went to test prop 100 mg eod. Then did an hcg blast last 10 days @ 500 IU/day.
After the HCG I hit Clomid, Nolva and aromasin mix. I obtained this from a top source in the form of "perfect pct." Did this for 4 weeks.
I am currently taking Liver clean pills and that is it.
My libido is coming back to normal slowly.
Anyway, that is my 2 cents since you were looking for "any advice." My PCT was garnished from doing a lot of reading on here. The HCG is controversial and some will say not to do it. But my own "experience" has been good even though I don't have empirical evidence. Or blood works to back up my statements so take my own experience for what it is worth:)
Hit the forums and wait for some veterans to chime in.
Good luck