posted Fri, 09/12/2014 - 09:24
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Adex to Aromasin transition
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I'd like some solid advice on transitioning off Adex and onto Aromasin following a 12 Week Test E cycle. I'm naturally paranoid about any potential rebound effects once the Adex use is stopped. The only signs of gyno I've had so far is sensitive nips during Week 4 and I'm currently on Week 9. Do you all even feel the need to run Aromasin with the PCT? Thoughts? Thanks men!
I have no prior cycle history.
Test E 250 x 2 weekly
Adex .5 EOD
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AnonIt's a precautionary measure. Keeping E2 in check during pct is pretty important IMO. The estrogen level coincides with sgbh. The higher the E2 the more sgbh you have. Also it allows more freedom for the Clomid and Nolva to do their job free from any sort of elevated E2 which throws off your homeostasis. Is it a must? No it's not. Can it help? Yes it can. Can too much Aro cause harm to your pct? Yes absolutely. Finding a preferential dose is key. So bloods will be the roadmap to your recovery.
I personally don't like an AI during PCT.
Always appreciate the advice of Empee himself! Thanks brotha!
I just made the switch 3 days ago. I'm in the prop taper phase of a 13 week cycle with one more week of prop.
I was taking Adex at .25mg EOD, and switched to Aro at 5mg a day.
I've read that there is no real "rebound from adex" as legend would have it.
I did gain 5 pounds overnight though, LOL. I think I'll take another 5 mg today.
I'll let you know if things get weird....
Looking forward to hearing back from you on that! I've always heard rebound is most likely so it's good to hear that may not be the case! Thanks bro!
so far so good. I could tell pretty quick I needed a little extra aromasin to knock down the bloat. One day with a double dose was just the right amount. back to my regular 5mg a day now.
I'll go even lighter during PCT, but still take a little. probably around 3mg a day.
How do you get your Aro dose down to 3mg? I have GP Aro and it's 25mg, triangle shaped pills. i can cut them in thirds but it wastes some oft the pill...and it's not precise...i would guess each third is 7mg ish...leaving a 4mg leftover piece of pill, but i'm just guessing. how precise are your 3mg doses?
same way you would split up most drugs, crush it and divide it up with a razor blade.
Thanks..... U put them in capsules after? Or just drink it down with something?
bust out a straw and snort it up.
Haha relive the glory days. What dose of aro did you find worked for your test cycle.?
I think it was about 5 mg a day, but it never quite seemed like I had it dialed in.
I felt best when my dose was 3mg, and my e2 was high. I've had better luck getting a steady level with adex at .25 EOD
And I don't snort it, but I do suck it up with a straw. that amount of aro is tasteless.
Yeah I have both aro and adex. Was trying to figure out which to use. I've heard people having a hard time regulating estro with aro. Then adex has this whole rebound phenomenon that scares everyone into using aro. Did you get blood work to confirm estro levels?
yep, check my profile.
Your estro was high. That was using aro? How was it on adex? Did u get bloods on adex.. I might try adex.
bloods were much better on adex, those 2 labs are posted too.
one was e3d and one was EOD
I see baseline blood work and two other pics both same picture of blood work on cycle with estro at 137.
In the little green bar at the top of my profile page, click pics.
there they are. that's great that you took all those bloods and posted them. how do you think it's best to overlap adex with aro when you transition into pct... i saw that you tried to transition from adex to aro but had a estro surge. if you're taking adex at .25 EOD, do you think it's best to take .25 of Adex the day before you start pct, then the next day jump right onto aro at low dose..?? i understand that adex can rebound b/c it doesn't kill the aromatase enzyme, it latches on and eventially splits away, but if you stop taking adex the day before pct, shouldn't your test levels at that time already be down to normal or below, so therefore I would think that you wouldn't need an ai....if your test levels are normal why does your estrogen spike/rebound? Also, why can't you take adex low does into pct like aro?
I have not tried it yet. but i think your idea is correct. Overlap the adex with the ARO for a couple of days then switch to aro only
Adex is accused of reducing the effectiveness of nolva, that's the main reason for not running it in PCT
What was ur pct regimens? It looked like u recovered well. I know the standard on here is clomid/nova 100/40 100/40 50/20 50/20. With low does Aro first few weeks.
I've got a mid and post pct blood work pic, and a full description of what I ran. Nolva, clomid and torem.
I had great PCT's till I added a little deca into a cycle. Deca sucks to recover from.
AnonSo is your opinion that the Adex rebound is still a myth? 5lbs overnight and bloat seems like a rebound to me;)
I don't know Carlos, Was it just a lack of AI in my system, or did an abundance of aromatase enzymes get unleashed all at once?
AnonWell if it was a lack of AI I ask did you overlap the Aromasin with the Adex? I have always recommended overlappg by two or three days. That seems to limit the exposure to a low AI saturation. I'm wondering how you switched from one to the other. You would think becuase of the half life of Adex you should have at least been ok. I still like the overlapping of the two by at least two to three days. It seems to work well with others who I've helped. Try that the next time you pct. I think I read how you prefer Adex on cycle but like Aro for pct.
No, I did not over lap. I just switched from .25 eod to 5mg a day. After the one day of bloat I doubled up on an aro dosage and dropped all the water right off. I will try the overlap next time around.
Roger, thanks for sharing and keep me posted!