Will all gear crash in cold temperatures?
Okay, here's the deal. I've been getting gear for a long time. I've had packs come that had high mg suspensions crash on me in normal temperatures. I've had vials crash on me almost always in cold temperatures. Tne always crashes pretty easy on me as well as prop. But I've seen 5 different esters of test crash on me (tne, prop, phenylprop, cyp, and enanthate) and I've seen masteron prop and enanthate crash. Tren ace usually gets cloudy and grainy looking but doesn't crystalize like test does... at least in my experiences with it. Yesterday however, I received a vial of sustanon 450mg and I accidentally left it in the car last night for twelve hours at zero degree tempertures. I didn't see one crystal in it which I found odd, especially at that high of a mg. I have spoke to a buddy of mine who also orders from the same source and he is testing his test cyp he ordered by placing it in the freezer for a few hours. I messaged the source and they told me that they never heard of sustanon crashing and only heard of cyp crashing. So my boy is testing their theroy. Anyone else's thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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I had three vials arrive to me completely and totally crashed (like all three had one solid crystal floating in the middle) last summer and it was above 100 degrees outside. I think the mg concentration has a lot to do with it. The fact that these crashed so hard on the summer shows that it's not just temp. One was test phenylprop 150 mg the other two were a test prop/tren ace blend 175 mg prop 125 ace. They were from a domestic source as well so I know the temp where they shipped from was not too far off from where I live
did you still use the gear?
as i know it´s not linked to the kind of oil it´s used to brew the product but to the mg concentration in each. I'm not sure its about the product itself.
ninersfanThis is interesting as I received 2 cypionate from the same source and 1 was completely crashed and the other nothing at all. Strange considering they were both in the same package going through the same temps.
Yep.... Sounds like Cyp for ya ;) Dont bother complaining to the source either, simply resuspend it, sometimes resuspending it a few times will make it more stable, but the answer to this thread in general is.. Nope.
Vent your vial with a 25g needle, placing it just far enough into the vial where it doesn't touch the oil, Simply set it in the oven at 212*F is more then enough, leave it in there for about 10 min. Take it out, wearing oven mits, swirl it around, and do it again, but this time put it in there and shut the oven off letting it cool in there... Usually helps a lot with test Cyp.
It's really unpredictable. I've had gear that I thought should have crashed given the circumstances, gotten bloods and was impressed. Unfortunately, bloods are the only real indicator we have.
RustyhookerSolvents will stop crystallization. AN old member tried freezing eo based gear. No crystals.
You won't see cyp at high doses because it will crash without a ton of solvents and pip like crazy
Yea freezer trick isn't anything that should help one determine whether gear is bunk or not... If it's gear that WAS going to crash on its own, then yea, placing it in the freezer may help speed up the process, or assist it shall I say...
That's true. Ethyl oleate or Guaiacol can keep a hormone solution from crystallization. He posted below that only benzyl Alcohol and benzyl benzoate are found in the vial. The high conentration of sust @ 450mg per ml will crash at freezing temperatures
finaprick191aaI had straight up ethyl oleate TNE with gauiacol and it crashed at 50 degrees. This isn't eo based gear. It's the standard 2% benzyl alcohol, 10% benzyl benzoate in oil recipe that has been used since the beginning of time. It's the same recipe I've seen with crashed gear from other labs. And fuck, at 450mg??? Your telling me not one crystal of hormone is gonna fall out of the suspension at prolonged exposure to 32 degrees below freezing temperatures? Zero degrees for hours and not one flake in it? Come on. My buddy's cyp did crash... same lab, same recipe. Only my shit is twice the hormone supposedly. There's cyp in the sustanon blend I have. Why not one crystal? And yeah... cyp got an extra molecule making it heavier than enanthate. But 147mg is test deconate which is way heavier than cyp and there's cyp in it at 125mg. That's 272 mg of heavy as test esters that didn't crash, not to mention the other 278mg of prop, ace, and phenylprop jammed into that brew. My buddy's cyp in the same oil and same amount of solvent crashed and it was dosed at 200mg.
10%BB is really cutting it close, it may be manageable for a homebrew but on a larger scale its unpredicatable... 15%BB is more stable
Agreed. I didnt really have any problems with my cyp at 200mg/ml at 10%bb but when I did it at 250mg/ml at 10%bb I had oroblems.
At a 2/10 % mixture , it will crash . Especially at that dosage . At room temperature it would crash . Forget freezing temps.
Brother , I've been brewing for years. Take my word for it . I'd toss it or ask for an exchange.
Oh and just so you know . The "standard" is usually 2/20 . Unless it's EQ and a few others. But 2/20 is the standard in most brews . Not all
Bare minimum you would need 20 with sust that high. Personally I would go with another approach . But that's me
finaprick191aaThat's what I'm getting at man. Thank you. I know different solvents will affect it, but this is a basic recipe and high mg to boot. There ain't no reason at those temps that I wouldn't see some hormone falling out. It's no big loss as it was a freebie, but if u are gonna throw out a promo, make it right. I don't wanna pin solvents and oil with low hormone mid cycle and then find out my test level hit the wall later on.
I hear you. You could chance it and get bloods. Either that or toss it .
If it were free I'd say screw it . This also shows you that you need to get blood work to check future paid orders.
If you spent 700.00 it would be a different story .
Chances are its severely under dosed. I suggest getting blood work to prove or disprove any ideas.
All I'm going say is test p , test c and test e at normal dosages would all crash . I'm just throwing that out there.
The higher mg stuff may have gauiacol in it to keep everything in suspension. That stuff is a super solvent and could probably dissolve rocks. Just one theory I am throwing out there.
i like gua in my gear, has a numbing effect at the inj site and for me PIP is non-existent. SWIM uses it in all his home concoctions at .5-1% no EO required. only thing it wont dissolve in swim's experience is oxandrolone in an inj. solution, swim tried :(
finaprick191aaNope... just benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate and oil. Plus my buddy's test cyp has been in his freezer for about 2 hours now and so far there's only three tiny snow flakes of crashed gear. The tne I used to get had gauiacol in it and you should have seen the crystals in that shit when it crashed.
PallMalli'd like to know the answer to this myself...
my thought is that if it's legit it should crash..
damn bro. thats some high mg sus...