TRT or Cycle + Jump Start HPTA
Hi all,
26 Male, 6'2 190 14% BF
I ran a course of Ostarine a year ago which very well may have been bunk or a PH. I got bloodwork done and it TOTALLY tanked my TT down to 145, and my HDL/LDL got really messed up.
I read that it was not suppressive at all so i planned a "natural PCT", felt like crap and have had low libido since. My TT came up to 586 as of a couple months ago, but my free T is low 11 (9.3-26.5 range).
My SHBG is very high, I've had it tested 3 times and it is always around 60-80 (55 is the high limit for the range). I think my libido and muscle gain is very slow due to SHBG binding up my Free T. I have tried every herbal/natural supplement out there in the attempt to lower my SHBG with no luck.
I've read that Test Cycles/TRT lowers SHBG.
I have never done "steroids" besides SARMS(ostarine or whatever was in there). I was thinking of trying a cycle of Test E cycle 500mg every week for 12 weeks + 500mcg hCG weekly(split) + arimidex 0.25 EOD, and then a PCT of nolva/clomid to see if it will lower my SHBG and restart my HPTA.
I would obviously cut first to around 10-12% BF so I can clean bulk while running it.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
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Look into stinging nettle, I've read it lowers shbg
That's a first. Running a cycle to restart HPTA.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/natural-routes-to-lowe...
I have tried all of the supplements listed there except Avena Sativa for 2+ months with no change to SHBG.
RustyhookerSo you want a cosigner to ok your ideals? Wont happen here buddy
Can't tell if you're just trolling or too lazy to read everything in the thread.
First of all I'm not asking for a loan, so I'm not sure why I would need a cosigner.
Second, I specifically said below that I was posting purely for advice, and since the advice seems to be "stay away" I am going to stay away.
Third, I have no problem getting a hold of legit Test, Clomid, Nolva, HCG, arimidex, caber, whatever it is I need. If you think that the reason I haven't done steroids is because I can't find them or that I need a "cosigner" / someone to tell me "yes" you are very mistaken.
RustyhookerYour replies scream for cosigner. Feeling froggy? Jump on it. Dont double talk when your hands got slapped sonny.
JayD718You could try HCG monotherapy for your TRT. I've been using it successfully for about almost a year now. And maybe for the first month you can include some Clomid, which will definitely fix your SHGB, FSH, LH, and wil really fix your body's numbers. Or you can even try Clomid monotherapy which worked exceptionally well for me for almost a year, but I suffer from very bad anxiety, and it was making me so anxious, that I had to switch to the HCG, like I mentioned above! Clomid will return all your numbers back to normal, like SHGB, FSH, LH, and the rest of the important numbers. I would try HCG monotherapy instead of TRT first, then HCG. If those fail, then I would see about TRT. But for me, the Clomid was amazing. It does so much, and its very underappreciated!
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Rustyhooker"My TT came up to 586 as of a couple months"
So hes cosigned by you for a problem thats sketchy as it is.
Thanks for the advice, I was thinking of doing something like that but saw studies showing that Nolva and Clomid both raise SHBG quite a bit, and some guys on TRT with low SHBG actually recommend taking Nolva/Clomid to raise their SHBG, so I'm still putting that one on hold for now
As a young guy who’s made mistakes I urge you to listen to the advice given by the others here.
Your total T is in a great place but you haven’t shown us your blood work.
What about your estrogen? Prolactin? Etc.
You mention natural supplements you have tried.
List them.
You’re in a promise place for recovering in my eyes don’t mess it up with running a cycle.
As you may know cutting fat during this time is certainly not going to speed your recovery.
Me and others would be happy to help with what we can but ultimately a professional should be your path.
I have tried Stinging Nettle, Inhibit-P, Boron, Vitamin D, Magnesium, Zinc, Multi-Vitamin, 7-Keto DHEA, Pregnenalone, Tongkat Ali, Fish Oil/Omega 3, Bulbine Natalensis, and GHRP 2 + CJC w/o DAC(supposed to raise LH)
Also tried all sorts of other supplements that aren't related but were a shot in the dark(TUDCA, CoQ10, etc)
The ostarine I took (or whatever it was) actually did bring my SHBG down from about 65 to 11(LOW on the range actually) and I felt great while I was on it, until I came off and that's when everything went bad and the SHBG rebounded.
Prolactin was Normal but higher range (14.0 on a scale of 4.0-15.2)
It has actually been awhile since I had my estrogen checked, last time was 6 months ago and it was:
Estradiol 16 (7.6 - 42.6 range)
I'm not an idiot or stubborn, and based on what people are saying it sounds like a good idea to stay away from steroids for awhile, so I will. Just pretty desperate to get my libido and recovery back.
No doubt brother I’m glad you’re taking it serious. Stinging nettle is one that’s always helped me even if just a minor amount.
I wish you luck finding the right doc.
And post back letting us all know your recovery and what finally did it.
Something I’ve been finding directly linked to my libido is sleep.
If I’m having a lot of stress also doesn’t help and sleep gets worse. Stress hormones suck.
Oh and if you haven’t yet you should quit alcohol
I think your knowledge you share shows, so don’t take offense, these guys deal with a lot of dumb shit including trolls on a regular basis.
Yeah man a cycle will be gasoline on an already burning fire. No offense to you or anyone on your site when I say this - but you need to take this to an endocrinologist and not strangers on the internet. Your total T is twice as high as it would be if you seriously needed to consider TRT. You just need an expert to help you free it up. What does your LH and FSH look like just out of curiosity?
Take a look at the reply above for other lab results, My LH and FSH were taken immediately afterwards(2 weeks) and were:
LH:5.8 (1.7-8.6)
FSH: 1.7 (1.5-12.4)
Well that would mess you up even more , if you haven't recovered yet from using ostarine or whatever it was it'll be almost impossible to recover and get back to normal if you run a cycle .
Do you know what you test levels were before you started ostarine ?
My Test Levels when I was about 19-20 years old were 785 TT, not sure on the free T as it wasn't tested back then. Pre Osta I think they were around 680,.
Yeah it seems like that is what most people are saying and I'm not an idiot so I'm not going to do a cycle, just really wish I could figure out how to get my libido and recovery back, the high SHBG is wrecking me.
The last thing that you need to do right now is inject and ingest more synthetic compounds into your system.
You made the mistake once. You took that ostarine, or what you claim was possibly really a prohormone, which by the way IS A STEROID. Whether Ostarine or PH, look what it did to you. Your natural test levels are shot and you’re left with no/low libido at 26 years old. Not to mention the other internal problems you listed (SHBG). Now while this may not be permanent, what you’re sharing with us in terms of what you want to do tells me you should stay far away from anabolics.
At 26, 6’2, 190 and 14% bodyfat, you have a lot of room to grow from good training and an even better diet. Anabolics will never replace either of the two.
However, you need to focus on your health right now and put “gains” on the back burner. Get yourself an appointment with a Gynecologist and share with him/her what you told us. He/she can help you get on the right track with your health, which is your top priority right now, or at least should be.
In the meantime, don’t do something foolish and cut even more, starving off the bit of muscle you have only to then flood and saturate your system with Test, AI, PCT and whatever else you intend on using. And don’t do something even more foolish by starting Testosterone Replacement Therapy on your own.
You need to spend considerable time doing research on how anabolic compounds work on the body before even considering a cycle.
Good luck to you.
Get an appointment with a gynecologist ?
Im sure his vagina is ok. Haha! Just kidding. Nice typo though
RustyhookerDont be stupid. Trt is dumb bro. You want a cosigner or what? Anything unnatural you took will shut you down.
How long since last bloods? How long since last cycle?
You need endo for sbh issues.
Last cycle was Ostarine which is the only thing I've ever cycled. It was a year ago. Last bloods 2 months ago.
I've seen two endo's they just say my results are "normal" and they don't know what to do about the high SHBG, even though i have 0 libido and feel like i'm not recovering from lifts well at all. (Diet is on point, sleep is good)
RustyhookerAge: 26
Height: 6'2
Weight: 190
BF:
Define on point. Pix on point or guesses?
pix on point? Not sure what you mean by that, I'm trying to cut down to 10-12% before bulking again.
I'm eating 2200 cals/day right now logging every day
10 to 1 chance he meant to say "diet on point, or guessing". In other words, post a sample of your daily diet.
Doubt it. In other words OP post up a pick so we can see if that diet is on point. Throw up daily meal plan and let the food guys help.