posted Sun, 02/01/2015 - 01:50
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Tren without Test, but..
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Tren without Test, but with LGD-4033 instead of usual Test while on Tren cycle.
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Tren without Test, but with LGD-4033 instead of usual Test while on Tren cycle.
fitmike25i done test at low levels with tren. example 250-300 test and 500-600 tren but no test never.
ax542i'm thinking to use 100testA - 100trenA ed.
Will see..
Not sure to include LGD, maybe not.
fitmike25nice
i like my test lower than tren worked well for me.
When I read the title "tren without test, but"... I thought it was a joke.
One thing you need to understand: some of
The worst side effects you can accumulate from a cycle are from low levels of testosterone due to lack of therapeutical doses.
ax542Yes, got the point of Therapeutical Test while on cycle, but i also miss a point:
LGD (to mention one, for example) is strongly suppressive: so also THIS cycle need Testosterone administration along with? But this would be a non-sense.
In theory, then, so, all cycles with steroidal products derivative from Test and suppressive for it, included PH/DS, need to be taken with Test injections! This is not very common.
But i got the point about Test very well..
Maybe i can do a Tren/Test/LGD cycle if i really want add LGD combo with Tren.
Will see in the future, for now it's ok so.
Thanks for getting into the discussion, and make clear many things.
Biggest waste of my time reading this
AnonBrother, all AAS with shutdown your HPTA. You are obviously new to this, and already talking about tren use. This isnt smart and what youre proposing is over complicating something simple. Just run some test only with hcg and ai. Then pct with torem and clomid or nolva. Youll bounce right back and if you keep eating wont lose your gains.
ax542Yes i know that all aas, some more some less some differently, affect, and on a certain extent compromises also, the hpta. LGD is strong suppressively at 1mg dose ED already, alot less of the 10mg (at least) ED that we take of it, for 6, 8 or 12 weeks, resulting in Trenbolone-similar htpa shutdown, but with less results, so you pay more to get less; the advantage is that it (lgd) do not change lh and fsh, and do not affect prolactine, so it's believed also that lgd is "self-recovery" (not need of pct), also if i doubt it. Alot of sides, much weight gaines isn't clen, hungry (but fortunately not angry..) as ever, lethargy, insomnia (it's like you can only sleep for 4 hours max, then stay wake, and sleep another 4 hours, instead of 8 all t once) and sweats; this is presumably because the lack of Test, and because LGD would be similar to Test, but isn't Test, i don't know if you got the point.
At this point, if i should face all these non-lighty things, let's go directly with strong anabolic-androgenic cycle (like Tren).
AnonHow are you suppressed if lh and fsh are still going? tren WILL crash those. So your whole argument on why to not use test, is mute.
"For some reasons I do not want to run any test".
What are those reasons?
ax542do not want mess-up with artificial exogenous Test, if possible; but with Tren it seems impossible to avoid administering Test, along with it.
So u don't want to mess with test but u think it's a good idea to run tren? U joined in August and never made a comment or forum until u made this forum. This has troll all over it hopefully u prove me wrong. Sleeper account it seems
ax542On the contrary, i'm big fan of this website and i think one of the best. I sometimes being pleased to read, but not to post, necessarly, because all the good information is already there, and when i want to ask something, like in this case, i do write.
On many other forum the answer probably would have been "why not bro.. try it and let us know", so i appreciate yours "precautions".
To answer, i have studied alot of many steroids profiles, and stacks of ph/ds also (which isn't necessrly crap.., rather i think they are good..), and after carefully, with reason of mind and without hazardous, considering every of them, one by one, comes that the best for me would be Tren, but as i said, more concerned about putting-in exogenous Test then not putting, along with Tren, but if it's The way, Tren+Test, maybe i'm all wrong and just or do that way or none at all, if want administed myself Tren. It seems more clear now.
My thoughts are simple here. Would I do it? Not if you paid me to. Do I think you'll feel like a bag of shit doing it? Yes.
If you're set on doing it though, that's your choice and from a science point of view i would read blood work with interest. I'm
Not encouraging you here, quite the contrary to be clear.
What is your cycle history?
No, no, and no. Don't even consider it unless you want to be on trt the rest of your life and never run tren first cycle or by itself. Why not just run LGD 4033 and s4, great results no pinning. Running tren alone you will lose all gains when you come off and probably never recover. There's a guy at my gym does only tren and seemingly does it almost year round and he always looks the same size physique never changes and you can't tell he even uses steroids until when he comes off and then he shrinks up and feels like shit and then he goes right back on. I've told him repeated how things are done correctly but he is a complete dumbass and choses to go his on way and wast his time training this way, don't be a dumbass and just stay away from gear if you can't run it the correct way.
ax542thanks for the message, i will follow your raccomandations.
Yes but LGD and S4 are not Tren, and i'm quite skeptical about the great results, even if they are all of the respects, and can be useful.
Someone say that Tren alone is good, and that you will keep gains long-time, but i doubt also..
The only alternative, and closer as possible to Tren without Test that is see, is DMZ, but i do not know how bad (or not) can be for the liver, if at all..