posted Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:08
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Strange (to me) side effects
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Noob question about some weird side effects I have been noticing I am in week 4 of a small 8 week cycle of EQ, NPP, and D Bol. Eq is 200 mg e3d, NPP is 100 mg e3d, and D Bol is 30 mg/d. I have been experiencing night sweats, and increased feeling of body temp, but the more stranger of the sides, is a weird partial numbing sensation in my hands if I roll my wrists around. The numbness only goes towards my thumb, and not the other fingers. Also if I tap on the padding near the base of my thumb, it will shoot a momentary numbing sensation into the area that is tapped. Seems to only happen with my left hand. Not really a problem, just strange Any ideas would be great.
Stats are:
5'8 height
212 lbs.
About 15-20% bf
38 yrs. old
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Unbelievable how people make us help them out and then they just do something completely fkn opposite
https://www.eroids.com/discussions/source/gear-university.com#comment-19...
Quit being an asshole. You don't know the whole story. I can have a decent conversation with anyone, but you are trying to start shit with me. I asked for advice about sides, took it, and the sides I was experiencing went away. I did not ask you for anything. You took one small comment on a si, and ran with it trying obviously tring to piss me off. To all the others on here, I do thank you for your help. The problem sides went away. But Irish, it's cool. I have seen how you operate. You want to flame me, do it in your little group. That being said, I have no hard feelings towards ya. Going by stats I weigh more, and have less body fat than you, so I must be doing something right.
And where did you even give advice on this thread? Pathetic.
I only flame morons, pleaze tell everyone in this thread what you switched to as well. I don't know you and you don't know me but this is who I am and your comment about doing something better then me....lets see that selfie of yours. My stats have changed since I posted that my bf is a little.lower and I put on quite the muscle, how about yourself? I'm sure your new cycle will pack on the muscle. I'm not offended by your stab at my physique because I may not be a bodybuilder but I'll outlift you any day of the week with my fat ass. I love you broseph.
Aww, come on Irish, I was just pissed. You are right. I dont know you, and you dont know me. Yes, you can most likely out lift me. No, I dont look like a competative bodybuilder. I came on here for comraderie. This isnt a dick measuring contest. You made the comment like you gave advice, but you didnt. For some reason I cant stay pissed at you though. Maybe its because I like the punisher skull in your avi. Sorry for the jab. It was imature. I am cool, if you are.
I love the punisher, Castle is one bad ass. Seriously though you should have switched to something other then tren, if you do this cycle all the way through you still have 14 weeks and the tren should only be for 6~8 weeks give or take so you will lose synergy. Not many people in the si pages can help you because they are either under 23 or think gear is the answer to bad diet and training so they will tell you more is better or multiple compounds. We come off as asshats but we hate seeing people.do the wrong thing or get fucked up.
Frank Castle is a badass. There's a little 10-12 minute short on youtube, called Dirty Laundry. If you havent, check it out. Punisher awesome-ness. Thanks for the advice. This cycle has turned pretty jacked up, with switching gears. Should have scrapped it, waited, and started over. You are correct. I dont want to fuck my shit up. Have a good one, and like I said, no hard feelings.
Check that: I am going to scrap this cycle, chill, then start anew.
No hard feelings here at all. I love seeing people get the best results form their cycles because its inspiring to others. Im going to check out that video today.
Hey Irish, just wondering if you ever watched that video? Hope they make a Punisher 2.
Who would play Frank though? thats a tough one.
I would have Thomas Jane Come back. He has the right badass look, without being over the top comic book hero like.
True, he fits the role because the original punisher is not overly muscular and has that badass look on his face. I watched the dirty laundry. Awesome shit.
Thought a true Punisher fan would like it. Have a good one.
So I dropped the D-Bol and NPP. Water retention has gone down, and wrist numbness seems to have cleared up. No night sweats the last two nights. I think I'm on the right track here.
AnonAny plans to get bloodwork?
I just checked out the site that RustyHooker provided. Damn theres alot of tests. Cool thing is that there's one not too far away.
AnonGet that shit done asap so you know exactly whats going on. Glad to hear some of the problems have subsided but you gotta make sure there is nothing else out of whack.
I had asked my doc before to check estro, but he just blew me off. Now that I know about this lab, I will definately make an appointment. It's cool I have Friday's off, or the hell with it, I can use sick time.
I suffer sides when i use gear.
I GETS FKN MASSIVE!!!......... BooooooooooooM.
To be serious... the guys have you bro, keep it simple with the gear and direct your focus more towards the nutritional aspects...... thats what creates the real magic at the end of the day (gear is just a vehicle to lend a helping hand)
Sometimes you stray from the path that has worked for you in the past, and a smack to the side of the head is needed to get you back on course. Thanks you everyone for that smack.
RustyhookerBlood test. Privatemdlabs.com female hormone panel for $ 59. Water can be dropped various ways. But dial in estro , eat and grow.
For recomp the 400 test and 400 eq for 16 weeks with super clean foods. Watch the bp daily and hydrate.
Just checked them out. I never knew there was a service like that, and only about 30-40 minutes away. Awesome!
RustyhookerWelcome to eroids!
I like that cycle. Simple. I try to complicate things to much sometimes. What Test were you thinking? 400 of E?
RustyhookerI over think often. Guys on here help me simplify too.
1-18 test e 400 split 200/200
1-16 eq 400 split
Week 20...do you have pct?
400 is mild on eq but if you're trimming it's enough to retain muscle, cardio boost and appetite boost. Clean foods get boring so get creative with your spices, bbq etc
No pct currently, but used to run Nolvadex and Clomiphene. Would an AI only be necessary, now that I am on TRT usually? Also, I like that Test/EQ split. And spices make boring food taste great.
RustyhookerOpinion is the dbol was boosting water log and estro. Blood test will determine ai use. But yes, trt is much lower dose so less estro conversion. Some guys don't need ai. Others use bucket loads. Always be prepared.
I would agree. Since stopping the dbol, I have noticed that the water retention has decreased significantly. Now, just to arrange those labs.
Exactly........... by reading and learning about different spices we can create our own natural "Thermogenic stack".......... you know i beast chillies and the like bro... thats the reason why.
TIP; always read labels to be sure spice blends etc are sodium free (in the most part) or we end up shredded from the thermogenics but still sloppy due to the sodium water holding factor.
I got a little sloppy at watching the salt and had a couple weeks of high BP headaches for my laziness. I am locking it down now for the summer run.
I know we have had posts outlining the good/bad benefits of sodium to our chosen "sports" ... but for what we are trying to achieve i.e building lean quality muscle mass and having a nice array of cuts to show it off..... SALT is our enemy period!... the only real time a Bodybuilder needs to even look at the salt pot is when he is fully competition ripped and looking to turbocharge his carb loading phase pre-show... otherwise like i say bro it is the enemy in the kitchen.
Too much sodium for me and I blow up like a puffer fish. I like to keep any extra low, don't add it to anything.
It is just seemingly impossible to avoid at times, the shit everywhere! I do look at labels for everythig I eat that I don't cook myself. I get stopped in my tracks all the damn time.
So I think what I did was try to get too fancy/cute with my "get back into the gear" cycle. I can't say that I have not made decent gains on this current cycle, but I have used a higher weekly dose of Test before, and felt "better" than I do at the moment. If you guys had to recommend a solid Test based cycle, what would it be? I would like to continue to use the EQ.
I think you're right there. You've been off a while, no need to do anything fancy, a simple test e/c cycle at even moderate dose will do the job for you at the moment. You can then add another compound the following cycle, that way you can see what works for you and what doesn't.
Yeah, I think I let the ego run a little to wild. Always had got great results from higher Test in the past, even if it was the primary backbone of the cycle. Felt better too. Next cycle will just be a Test only variant. As I have stated, not really impressed with NPP.
Easy to do mate. You know what has worked for you in the past, us older guys have a harder time recovering so if you can make gains off a simple test cycle it's definitely for the better. "Feeling" better is a bigger part of it for me too now, I like to enjoy my cycles rather than running compounds that have negative effects on me and those around me.
If you need any help, feel free to drop me a line.
The night sweats could be from the NPP. The numb wrists sound like
you may be having some water retention.
Thank you ashop. I think with the info. I have received from the other 3 replies, my Test dose may be to low, and I can drop some of the extra stuff. Not really a fan of the NPP. People were raving about it, so I did what your not supposed to do and fell for the hype. Pinned in the delts and it has caused me pip for two days each time. The D Bol, while the strength gains have been beyond what I could have hoped for, may be dropped after this cycle. The risk/reward with water retention going into spring, is not worth it currently. Strength is nice, but I may hold off until next winter, while I learn a bit more. I do like the EQ. No problems with that, as far as I can tell.
Please tell me you're running test as well?
Scrolling-Scrolling- YES! somebody asked! :))
Sorry about that. Yes, Test C at a moderate 400 mg/week. Also have Test Prop and more EQ arriving tomorrow. In reference to the gentleman below, he is right, what is eight weeks of EQ going to do? The reason I said short eight weeks is because I will be out of country for two weeks after the end, then was going to resume with the EQ when I returned. No ancillaries as of yet. No major sides except for some water retention, and a little acne. No gyno symptoms at all, however something I always keep a look out for. No cycle history for several years, say at least 5 to 8. I have been on TRT for the past three years, so Clomid and HCG probably wont be much help. Also I have been getting these sucky lower back pumps from doing the littlest activities.
x3 hope a test base is implied here. as far as your original conundrum, that does seem strange. i get a bit of numbness from running cjc and ghrp from the increased gh output. the only thing i can really think it could be is some sort of secondary side effect brought on by increased water retention and/or blood pressure. i know i had to drop dbol 3 weeks in when i ran it once because it increased my BP just too much where i felt like a pressure cooker (numbness, tightness in chest, headaches ect.) ..could be that but if its only on your left hand it could be a concern. i would go in to see your physician if it continues.
I had increased D bol to 40 mg/day, but that seriously increased water retention too much for my likeing. Also started getting headaches too. Dropped back to 30 mg, and both cleared up. Blood pressure has never been an issue for me, but have a BP monitor at home, so I check it regularly. Thinking about just tapering off, or just discontinuing the D bol.
Anonx2, and what is 8 weeks of eq gonna do? What ancillaries are you running? Whats your cycle history?