posted Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:07
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Question: Test P vs Sust vs Test E
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Ran Test E as my base both past cycles and I really have no complaints. Had water retention but I have never had any real bad gyno issues. Ran the Enanthate because I fly/travel for a living so pinning less or traveling with less gear was always my priority.
I`ll be on a 3 month hiatus so pinning ED or EOD is not an issue so im leaning towards a Test P or Sust.
Read a bunch of old cycles (2006-2010 nothing really recent) on Sust and just got through reading @VikingPower article and i am leaning towards a Sust/Mast p currently. Any guys out there have some personal experience with both Prop and Sust. If so your opinion would be much appreciated!!!!
contemplating either....
Test P / Mast P
or
Sust / Mast P
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I love me some Sust. You notice the mental effects almost instantly, but you still ease into some nice gains. If you are used to long esters this may be a nice transition for you!
Thanks man.
Can I just love both options;). Test E/P is great......than again sust is great also!
RustyhookerReading your stats and priors i think you're jumping in too deep with lil knowledge. Food is 100% of your cycle. Not picking out some fancy stack. Find a food guru.
Simple prop kick, test e, prop taper. All lined out in beginners cycles.
Yea man, I def jumped into my first cycle too early. I understood diet and cycles but no where close to what I should have. Def learned from it though.
Thanks for the input brother!
Im not big on Sust myself, but I love Prop as it hits home faster and gets the job done quicker.
With Mast P in the works, I felt it enhanced the Prop compared to when I ran Prop solo one time. In fact, my first run of Prop was 8 weeks @ 200mg EOD. I felt tons better when I did 100mg/100mg of Prop and Mast EOD. So its worth a look into in my view.
Thanks man!
Not a problem, just my personal findings.
May work well for you, may not.
Bare in mind Im in combat sport, so that was considered a "high end" cycle haha
RustyhookerYou do realize your math? Because it looks like you do not realize the two chems.
I said 100mg of Prop and 100mg Mast was better for me than Prop 200mg EOD.... whats up with the maths?
I'm not a huge fan of Sust. I've only ever used the amps, so pinning ED was not much of an option as I'm not a fan of mega doses of test. Recently Sust. was all I could get so I had to do E3D which gave me some acne and felt high's and lows which was not desirable. E and C keep me more consistent and IMO once the test levels are 1500 it just comes down to training and diet and time. Certain people like the "high" of test prop which is understandable, but I prefer the consistent, steady gains with less sides.
Thanks brother.
TurtleMansToothI love the propionate ester regardless of the hormone its attached to
Short esters just feel better IMO
Sust is nice tho
I dont care for enanthate but I still use it
Yea, I don't have anything bad to say about the enanthate, the 4 weeks of Dbol really helped to get the jump start. But having the chance now to run the short ester it going to be nice!
http://spotinjections.com/
Me personally I would go with SUS, but thats just me, I have exp with both. Prop can have some mean pip, Sus is like any other compound in the sense that your body will adjust/flatten out once the plasma levels stabilize. As long as you can pin e2d or every 3 you will level out. Alot of the guys that run big sus cycles pin eod. For me e3days works. Just have to find your groove. I love sus, it responds really well to your dietary goals. If you eat big you will get big, if you eat clean and crush some cardio it can used as a fantastic cutting compound. Again diet will determine this. Sus for me keeps me nice and dry as long as I keep the sodium down and I don't use anything that has creatine in it-no prework out nothing. Just protien shakes and real food!. Good luck bro, If you go with the prop check out the site i posted above, and hit up Hookers avi he has some pip recomendations....Hit it
Thanks for the in depth reply, I really appreciate it. It's helps getting opinions from dudes that have ran both. I have my diet and work out plan down now. I def jumped into my first cycle too early, uneducated but honestly I learned from it. Thanks again man.
Stats? Goal for this cycle? Previous cycles?
206 at 12% body fat current
Test E (first cycle) - 8 weeks started at 177 and 18% body fat. 1 week past last injection I was 193 at 14% body fat. Was not on point with my diet, beer or sleep.
4 months later
Test E/Dbol (4 week)/ anavar - 10 weeks started at 184 and 13% bf. Last injection 209 lbs 10% bf
Currebt 204 not sure of BF. Would like to run 10 weeks get to 215-220 at end of cycle and walk around post cycle around 210-212
Weight n BF might be slightly off. Have everything written down in my workout logs. Just not on me. But I'm pretty sure the stats are right.
Honestly I would stick with just test p if this is your 1st go with a short ester that way you can get a feel/routine for pinning so much. I think another compound might complicate things a bit and you'll need at least 6-8 spots to pin. Sust can be a bit tricky because of all the esters involved.
Yea that was one if my concerns with the diff esters. Just read on a few logs that's guys were saying the prop was worse to pin. I had no issues with the enanthate doing butt and shoulders. Never manned up n did the quads tho.
Thanks for the input man. I appreciate it!
Prop can hurt, I dont suggest it unless you have a good site rotation. Find rustyhooker and click his avi he's got a few forums on pip, pinning techniques and spot injections
Will do. Thanks again!