+ 16 Proviron, for better or worse?
I've been reading up a lot on Proviron. I'm very interested in this compound and am looking for feedback positive and negative. Have you used it? How did you like it?
Basically from what I can gather, Proviron is a DHT derivative. It's primary use in BBing is to hinder the effects of aromatising compounds like testosterone, hence creating more free testosterone to bulid more muscle. It helps test perform better and has an "amplifying" effect! I've actually read that when used with testosterone, the two compounds compliment each other and each helps the other become more efficent. A little fact I wasn't aware of is there are AR's in fat cells as well as muscle and proviron has fat burning capabilities as well. It also has negatives. Since it is a DHT derivative we all know what nasty things can come along with it. Effects on the prostate, the scalp (male pattern bladness). Here's a link with a basic profile on the compound. Anyone who's used it, i'd be very grateful if you'd share your experience.
http://www.steroid.com/Proviron.php
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Interesting little tid bit
Thank you for the feedback! Excellent advice as usual. I switched my cycle plan a few weeks back. I was doing a dirty bulk. This is my first opportunity to go balls to the wall and pack on weight. Fighting at 175lbs my entire adult life kept my AAS use to a minimum. I wanted to see how much mass I could pack on. I figured I would clean it up later. The estrodiol and progesterone was very high. I had a lot of symptoms which I posted but never any signs of Gyno and lucky for me the old lady works for a doctor. She monitors my bloods and BP. My BP is never elevated which I find strange especially with the tren but it's true. I have cleaned up my diet, I began to cut down the weight half way through this cycle. I added the provi. I went from a very bloated 208lbs down to 195 today at 8% bf. my gym has a doctor on staff who checks my stats and vitals when I ask. I am not taking the estro issue lightly. I hear what you all are saying. I just love the benefits. I am still having pain free workouts even tho I cut weight. Still no AI. My diet consists of lots of oats and grain, boiled chicken with no salt. No heavy carbs ,lots of greens. I am still learning how to eat but the sodium is down. I'll be watching it very closely. Thanks for the advice tread. I'm not up there in age yet but no spring chicken either. I realize I need to be careful.
UFOThis was a great read...def adding some to my next order!!
You will be surprised bro, give it a chance!
I used it for my last prep. Basically 25-50mg/day. 2 weeks out I took 1 tab with each meal to get really hard. My coach who is an ifbb pro bodybuilder suggested it. I think it helped me get more out of my cycle offseason as well as helped me harden up. I would like to keep in in every arsenal moving forward.
This is my first experience with it. I don't think ill ever run a cycle again without it
Well I've added proviron to my current cycle of 1 gram of testosterone (500cyp & 500enth) and 560mg tren A per week. I'm a couple weeks in on the proviron with about a month left on cycle. The difference is ridiculous. I was suffering a number of estrodiol related side effects because I don't run an AI (I believe some estrogen is beneficial). I had bad acne on my back, was overly emotional , libido was eehhh and I've done a 180 degree turn in all those aspects. We know that provi prevents the aromatization of testosterone and amplifies the compounds you're running! My libido is through the roof again. The acne has stopped and is clearing up and I don't tear up anymore at feed the children commercials. This stuff isn't used enough today. It may be an old school compound but it should be making a comeback! It has definitely been as advertised for me.
RomanbrandI don't tear up anymore at feed the children commercials ~ hahahahaha! Holy shit that's funny!
I know this is old but I just got my Proviron in the mail today and started it for my last 4 weeks, totally stoked about the positive feed back I keep hearing about it.
Check out the bloods I have posted. Compare the two. The older one is without provi. The newer one is with. You'll see the difference. It's incredible really. The free test number spiked almost 300 points
RomanbrandI'll check it out, i've been on it for approx 4 days now. I dont think I "feel" anything but I dont think I will. Did you?
By week 2 or 3 you will definitely be feeling it!! I notice it within 2 days but by then it will be in full swing
Do you remember what I told you man? Someone would told us that we are crazy but the fact is that provi is one of the most unknown friendly roids of the old school, many people thinks that cause it is a DHT derivate is similar to masteron, winny or primo but the fact is that acts different from those others.
I usually buy it at pharma, cause many times they "forgive" to ask for med presciption, and you can read clearly in its instructions that can raise endo-test levels in hypogonadism treatment and raise libido too (obviously bayer, who sell it Spain, do not say provis amplifies other roids effects LOL).
Another point is that here in Spain only costs 4€ (25mgs @ 20 tabs), and maybe it is the best provi around EU.
I am happy bro that it has worked for you man.
Thanks brother! Yes I remember! Someone said to me "it's just an inferior form of Masteron". I just chuckle. It's nothing like Masteron although a derivative! Appreciate it my man. I'll be using this in every cycle. Fuck the AI
Brother! Do not say that AI are really important lately I have been doing some research and homework If you need it we could disscuss it here or by pm.
Basically with Tamox Citrate works great and could work almost PERFECT with aromasin (exemestane), forgive the fucking adex (have sides and many people do not know anything about it and tamox can not be used while been on adex) ;-)
Exemestane dries a lot man! In fact I am going to use a crazy SERM and IA combo Provi+Nolva (classic as they work better togheter than alone) and Exemestane all togheter.
UFOCan you back up your statements of adex not working with novla? Cause I dont think thats correct, I am currently running anastrozole with novla/clomid for pct and everything is going great. Last inject was 6 weeks ago and I have only lost 2 lbs. And yes exemestane dries a lot, but some estro is good bro it helps you bulk you dont want to get rid of it all. Still dont see why proviron can't be used instead of an AI on cycle, especially if you are not prone to estro sides.
EDIT: Posted this before I read your reply below.
I never ran an AI. I am one of those rare ppl who don't get the really ugle sides like gyno. I get a little emotional, a little bloated, but the estro benefits outweigh the negatives for me. I prefer to have pain free workouts from the water retention. The provi addition is early on so we'll see how my workouts are effected. As of now, i'm loving it
UFOWhat/how do you pct then if you always run novla during a cycle? Never really heard running novla through a cycle to be of any benefit and there are much better AIs out there...
Easy Bro, at low dosages Nolva act ONLY as a SERM do not confuse SERMs (like nolva) and IAs ( 3 top: Letrozole, Exemestane and Anastrozole), similar to IA in objetives (BUT NOT THE SAME, i.e. fighting for attaching to your estro), fighting for receptors against estrogens and consecuently blocking them to act and avoiding well known undesirable effects. It is important to remark that IAs act different from SERMs do, IAs cut the problem from its root avoiding having strogen receptors, but as we know this could be bad cause we need certain strogen levels in order to mantain our inm. system and, of course, droids need also a certain balance of blood strogen to work correctly, thats why it is very important to control IAs dosage and that is because we use to take adex EOD at low dosages.
All above is being ON, talking about PCT is different, Nolva at doses from 10 to 20 mgs ED acts as SERM (normally @ 10 mgs ED), when we are talking about PCT we need to consider that Nolva at dosages higher than 10, like 20, 30 or 40 mgs ED (common dosage at PCT) acts like SERMs attaching to your estrogen receptors and helping you to raise your endo testo levels, specially at 40 mgs ED. That is the reason cause many people only uses Nolva in their PCT, cause many times is enough to restart your test levels (specially if you have not use strong HPTA sup. drois like Deca or Trembo). It is a good way of making a good PCT and avoid Clomid sides (remeber that many people has suffer serious sides with clomid).
The main reason of avoid using Adex and Tamox is simply, adex can not be used with Tamox, they interfere each other, many researchs have demonstrate that Tamox decrease seriously Adex results (about 33% of decrease) and it should be like throwing away your money... Exemestane is a bit different as does not interfere with tamox and can be used together, the key is find the balance between the SERM used and IA (prov+tamox & xtane).
UFOWow OK...good post bro thanks for that info def good to know.
No prob bro! We are always here in order to help, If we don't do it nobody will do it.
Love winny that fucking stuff is one of the best things I have ever met! Spain not only have bullfights, ibiza (and its crazy bitches), and paella, has also winstrol depot which I love it, maybe the best winny around made by Desma, I dnit worry for Dht sides as it seems that I am not really sensitive to roids sides (I am 31, young i know) but never got my libido down, no bald, in fact using efedrine level (spanish pharma efedrine) my drive was perfect and my prostate is ok.
Another good point is that bayer schering proviron can be get by only 4€ at pharmacies in Spain which is gorgeous, although it is under medical pres. Many times they sell it without it (by err I understand...)
Great libido enhancer as well. Its used by pornstars. Much stronger then cialis and viagra.
I've found that injectable-equivalent (masteron) blows the doors off of oral proviron. Libido is unreal on that stuff. But proviron won't dry you out as much or make your muscles feel tight and cramped during workouts like masteron will. Depends what you're looking for. If you're only looking to free up bound test proviron will do the trick. If you want rock hard muscles and separation go for masteron.
Sorry bro but can not agree cause masteron or winny as dht derivates are similar in effects, they both are usually at ending cycles, their goals are completely different from provi's goal.
In adition, bear in mind that proviron works well almost under any condition (including as test sustitute in free-test cycles like primobolan+winny+anavar cycle) and masteron is used to drain water and gain high quality muscle, but with one condition, to work in a correct way bf% should be at 10%. Masteron is more similar to winny than proviron, and I think is a great "aid" lol
So will masteron have the same effects on the libido and provi? Masteron appears to be the superior compound for muscle hardening and definition but what about the over all free/total test and libido? I have never run either one of these compounds.
They both increase libido and free up test...most people who have run both consider masteron stronger and more effective.
Thanks bulk
I agree 100% with every detail about more efficient chemicals for AI's and Caber. It's the need to run a higher level compound or not and when question for me. I found I could get away with the Proviron when i ran Deca at a low dosage instead of Caber. I don't get Gyno(Prolactin) but the ED was downright SHAMEFUL!!!! lmao explain ur way out of that! Yes I see your point, but I for a couple of reasons I like Proviron.
The sex drive boost on cycle 19nor or not. Also the Boost it has on the test levels and overall charge it gives you. It really does help, I've seen it and I have experienced it.
But for all the things you just said brother, it would be hard to argue against it:-)
+1
PS Proviron is becoming hard to find. When you do it's always selling out fast.
Everybody have their secrets, completely agree man
Thank you for the honesty Rott. Much appreciated brother!
That is one point I have mentioned before of being the reason of using adex instead this one... But I still think that prov+ nolva helps a lot during cycle/before pct, in fact alwags have fast recovery thanks to those friends lol, better than using adex during the cycle (although that with femara or adex I fell and look more drained of water, but only a mirror feeling).
ItsNoelIt also amplifies the effects of AAS while on cycle...............
so its good to take while on cycle also helps your sex drive .........
Provirion is the shit im always on it. FOR THE BETTER.
Thank you kindly my good man!
This was the reason based on my research I use Proviron on any Deca cycle I run. I've found that If my deca dosage is under 400mg I'm fine as long as my Test dose is up there. 800+mg. If I run 400mg of deca for more than 8wks my Dick has problems with ED. I'd run 25mg Proviron Every day and be good. If I ran Deca over 500mg I would automatically run Caber. On 19nors I don't get any Gyno issues but My Dick doesn't like Deca at all:-)From what I've read and experienced I assume it's good for the sex drive and actual function of the male sex organ.
ItsNoeltake 50mg a day like
I am one of the lucky /unlucky guys who reacts easily to oral compounds. I did up it to 50 the Night before my anniversary a couple years ago!! Shit was fire!
I did the pornstar coctail!
3 20mg Cialis
2 25mg Proviron
2 50mg clomid
OMG! The stories you hear about clomid/viagra/cialis and semen volumes is TRUE!
ItsNoel2 cialis dam bro.......... They must of called the cops on you lol
So do you find the effects to be "amplifying"? All the ED issues with 19nor's aside, any better to run with your cycle?
Yes I do. When it hits the Intensity comes out bad. U feel the difference plain as day. My buddy was running it when I first tried it and he was having hard times controlling that intensity. He was on a modest Test cyp 600mg and acted like he couldn't control the rush. He's already an asshole so he became an even bigger asshole.:-)
Thanks brother! I'm in the process of researching the effects on DHT. That in itself scares me a little simoply because of the prostate issue, but my friend Tread has said, It shouldn't be a huge concern at my age so i'm leaning toward giving it a shot
Saw palmetto!!!! I run that now based of what tread has preached. No more late night urinating. Ur already shaved up top so what do you have to lose. No need for propecia/finnastride. Try it and see what u think. Use that order as a test order for a site or ask around where the other Buds are going for it. If you don't like it and it's not something for you at least now you'll know:-)
Lol, got thy right. There's no hope for my hair coming back and I think I would look silly with hair anyway. Lol. I'm gonnagive this stuff a shot! I'm liking everything I'm reading. Add some saw palmetto to the mix and rock out! I'm 31, if I pay close enough attention to my body I think I'll be ok. The whole point is to live a healthier lifestyle and maximize gains right? I think this stuff has been the best kept secret in the juice game from all I'm hearing. Thanks again for the feedback guys.
Completely agree bro I could I would give you karma lol
ItsNoelThnx bro ....... PRO is the little secret people miss up on its not powerful but it works great on the low.
I almost completely agree with you but you know that bad sides of proviron (although it is old school) are really weak and using the classic combo proviron + nolva you are covering many risks and bad sides of other droids, I always says that it is like a good all in one help, but remarking that used alone Proviron is really less effective, in fact I never used it alone..., but many researchs have demonstrate that it has synergistic effects used with nolva/tamox cit..
What interests me about it is it's supposed amplifying effect on other compounds. They say it helps other compounds work more efficiently. Also it prevents aromitisation of testosterone which would allow more available free and total test. I'm still researching however. The binding to DHT rec is a turn off but not sure if it's reason enough to ignore the possible positive effects. I wouldn't necessarily be using it as an anti-estrogen, more interested in the AMPLIFYING effect
AMPLYFING EFFECTS that is a hot spot man, you got it, is like methandriol dipropionate (guess I write it bad sorry...) That amplifies effects of other steroids
MD is also highly estrogenic. In this case proviron is not.
Completely agree, sorry I did.not mentioned!
At 25mgs Ed doses combined with10 mgs ED of nolvadex/tamox is really efective is order to avoid commonly know "unconfortable" sides during cycle, both togegher are more effective than used separetely. Mesterolone also is good, as you have just said, to drain water (just a little), lean muscle (just a little too) and raise your sex drive and endog. Test levels during cycle. But also has one important problem that I think you have.not mentioned, correct me bro if you did it, as anabolic steroid, mesterolone will bind receptors that maybe would be binded by other steroids used during.our cycle, which means that iin high doses could decrease the results of other steroids used during the cycle, after all we have a limited number of receptors and maybe it is better to use them with stronger steroids than mesterolone (that's one big reason for using it only 25 mg ED), despite of this I always recommed to use bayer schering proviron during cycle at the minimum dosage with nolva. But because of the previously mentioned reason many people prefer arimidex instead of proviron+nolva combo.
It is up to you bro!