+ 1 Orals or Injectables.
Ok orals are processed in the stomach or intestines and are broken down by the liver generally in 24-48 hours. For this reason orals do not last very long, and must be taken in fairly high doses. This is unfortunate as being orals they must also pass through the liver before entering the blood stream and this means they are fairly toxic to the liver.
Since some of teh steroid is destroyed by the liver on the way in, effectiveness is reduced. Scientists discovered that by changing the chemical formula of the oral drug to a 17-Alph alkylatedform less of the drug is broken down by the liverand more would reach the bloodstream. Unfortunately, this places a much greater strain on the liverand drugs in this form are usually quite toxic. Orals of this type should be taken with care and NEVER for more than a few weeks at a time.
Injectables generally last in the body for upto a few weeks total and supply a constant source of hormones directly into the bloodstream. Beacuse of this the liver gets a long time to eliminate them at its own leisure, and there is less toxicity related sides. Hence injectables are more effective in the same doses, and a lot safer. Injectables are used by more serious athletes. This is a shame as nearly all the bad sides are caused by orals or by ignorant overdosing of the drugs. The more dangerouse sides, like liver damage and cholesterol changes seem to be only caused by the orals.
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Anonpeople do frown upon orals a lot. probably because any unexperienced user can get their hands on a half ass Dbol-take it, have no idea what they're doing..and trash their body. Gives orals a bad name
AnonPeople frown more upon people who run Oral only cycles (and are not women).. they get upset because they don't keep their gains and or they shut down their natty test and wonder why the cycle didn't turn out like they thought it would..
Hey mate not all orals are hard on the body. Halotestin is the hardest oral form mg for mg. When you look at the toxicity of Halo next to primmo mate primmo is like having some smarties.
Remember bro. Big muscles are never worth more than your health
AnonVery valid point bro. But people tend to misuse the ones that are, like A-bombs and so on. But yes, some are like a pack of sweet-tarts!
The best thing about orals is the way they are processed and what happens from the way they are processed. The benefit that you get from even a primo oral when used in conjunction with good quality injectables. Is fantastic. Orals definately have a place in any stack.
AnonYou know bro that every time I have used orals I have always had the sensation that they were more effective than the same dose of the equivalent injectable form. As an example if I pin stanozolol 50 mg every day I will have good response nothing to complaint, it does what it must do exellently. The other way round when I have swallowed 50mg stanozol tabs every day my response was better than the injectable form. I don't know why but what I have found is interesting.
Read this article. Perhaps it can explain the way in which orals act to be more effective than injectable:
"...Now, here’s the interesting part: When you inject Winstrol, instead of taking it orally, you actually get more nitrogen retention (and hence we can infer, more new muscle tissue is being built). SO if you are trying to use Winstrol to build new muscle tissue, the injectable version is going to be far superior to the Oral version. However, there are some advantages that the oral version has over the injectable, including a possible “synergy” with other drugs- but only (primarily) when taken orally.
While in the liver, on it’s first pass, Winstrol is exposed to a variety of enzymes and proteins. To understand how a possible synergy between Winstrol and other steroids may be possible, a little background on Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) is first necessary. For our purposes here, all we need to know is that SHBG is a glycoprotein produced in the liver, which binds to testosterone and makes it biologically unavailable to do all the things we want it to do- like building muscle. It serves to transport testosterone throughout the body, but while it remains bound to testosterone, the testosterone can not exert it’s anabolic effects...
As you can surmise, a very large portion of the testosterone in your body is bound to SHBG. Wouldn’t it be great if we could lower SHBG? With Winstrol we can.
A fairly conservative oral dose of .2mg/kg of Winstrol has been shown to lower SHBG by close to 50%. (8)For me (200lbs) this would mean I would only need around 18mgs/day to free up half of my SHBG bound testosterone! For my omnipresent and hypothetical “100kg bodybuilder”- only 20mgs would be needed (he’s 220 lbs for the metrically impaired among us). Now, with less SHBG floating around in me, my anabolic steroid cycle will be more effective, right? Right.
But why can we only expect such a dramatic lowering of SHBG with the oral? Well, obviously, we’re taking advantage of the first pass through the liver, where we can have our Winstrol interact with SHBG where it’s produced- in the liver…without going through the bloodstream first.
When we take a look at a study done comparing injectable vs. oral contraceptives, we find that the oral version at 70mgs/week (10mgs/day given orally) is more effective at affecting SHBG levels than 400mgs/week given via an injection! (9)In this study, testosterone undecanoate was given at a constant dose along with norestisterone (which raises SHBG). What we see is that when norestisterone is given orally, it produces a far greater effect on SHBG, than when it is administered via an injection. And this is even when the doses of the injectable are 4x higher!..."
Yeah I have felt the same thing over the years. I think it all has to do with the way they are metabolized.
dansta1233 week bumps with plenty of time taken off from orals before next cycle
liver tonics
plenty of water
and then you should be fine..great post,plenty of great info.getting thrown out to the masses today wooks..got a day off bro.lol
Yeah I do actually. Thanks for the compliment bro
I think a great post for newbies bro. Also a side note. Ten years aas experience. I Never touch orals anymore and it hasnt hindered me at all. Not saying ppl shldnt add them in but for me the risk far outweighs the benefit
Thanks mate. I have a few years under my belt as well in both training and abuse opps I meant use.