It's more for experienced guys! If you have a family at home or a gf at home I suggest staying away from it! Paranoia is also a really bad side. Relationships and tren do not mix well! I'm on my last week and the last 2 days have hit me really hard with phsyc issues! But at the same time the tren train is good for gains if you can handle the sides!
There's other compounds that will give you tren like gains if diet and training are dialed in.
Don't wanna just dish out cycle advice but some research will show it's do able with other compounds, but this isn't something to just jump in with either as you'd need to stack 3 compounds and that goes against the adding one compound per cycle protocol of eroids.
There is a ton of info on Tren on this site. When people ask about this, I ask what there motivation is or what expectations they have in choosing to run Tren instead of something else.
For some people, it has a shit load of negative sides and it troubles me that some folk think this is some kind of wonder drug.
If your work effort in the gym is just average, adding Tren to a cycle is not going to either make you a mass monster or rip you to shreds depending on the application.
I am not sure if I am just lucky or what. I am on low test....200 wk and started @ 50 EOD Tren/ .125 OD prami. I feel the only sides I had were from the Prami...Week later bump to75 EOD/,25 ED Prami...Noticing some fat loss and small strength gains....More like not losing size from Test cycle. Week later bumped to 100 Tren EOD/.35 Prami.....I really do not have ANY sides....No sweats/have a little sleeplessness/ which I attribute to the Prami./No aggressiveness...So far I have loss some Fat and zero strength...I Like this stuff. About to go back up to 1g test/600eq and will try keeping tren 50 EOD and see how that works
Im nervous about the stuff. My buddy wants to take it but I dont think its the stuff for me. I sweat like a beast just taking test. I havent ever really slept all that well ever. Just think things could only get worse for me. Im glad that you are having a positive experience with it though.
Me too on test.....I sweat like a pig ALL the time. Especially if I go over 600-700.. Never sleep good any more...Xanax helps that. I was hesitant seeing that I am almost 52 and everyone on ALL the websites say it is Soooo bad. I have done 20-30 cycles mostly Test/Dbol/Deca......Low test/High Tren seems to work for me. I don't even sweat at work....Start low 50 EOD....move up weekly until you see any sides and back it down...Take the Prami/Caber!!
I think if you naturally have some issues like anxiety, OCD , ADD, paranoia, things of that sort, tren can amplify them tremendously. I know my anxiety gets really bad on tren. It also disrupts my sleep to the point I start to get miserable and snappy, when u throw the extra aggression in with that, u can become pretty angry or aggressive. You need to be able to catch yourself as soon as you start feeling your blood boil over something.
It can also make me over emotional at times. I cannot run tren without being on blood pressure meds, it causes my BP to spike randomly to the point I turn red and start to sweat and my heart starts pounding and fluttering . It's not a drug to take lightly by any means, you need to be mentally mature to handle this drug, ESP at higher doses.
Well Tren is used for feedlot cattle going to slaughter. They tend to put on lean tissue during transport or barely grazing
My opinion on it or someone else's really doesn't matter. It works well at just about any damn aspect of the game. But the sides can really hit hard as Rusty said, which is unique to the individual. For the most part doesn't bother me aside from some sleep issues. Then I have friends who can't control their Blood pressure, are always uncomfortably hot and sweating, can't get erections, get terrible anxiety, kidney function takes a dive, etc..
Tren is a bridge that in my opinion should only be crossed only late in the game and when being used with a very clear purpose. 19 nors can be a bitch anyway with tren being queen bitch; many people get sucked into thinking it's business as usual with a 19nor in a cycle...not so much...My opinion, read and educate...the drug isn't for everyone
Have your friend join so he can learn from others as well. It's not a chem to go lightly with. It will bite you if not ready. Can bite you even when ready.
I believe he is going to join. Im not doing it anytime soon or if ever. Im comfortable with just test and maybe dbol. He definitely needs to hear from people that have had the experience.
There's so many sweet combos out there. Eat n grow or clean diet and cut. Without all the issues. I look back at ferrigno and arnold...they did it before tren was the fad.
I love tren tren loves me. Do not take tren until you've reached your 5th to 6th cycle maybe even more ....keep it 400-600mg ew no need to go higher..6-8 weeks tops ...keep a level head and think before you act, and get ready to have super human strength.
My worry qould be lose of self control. I was able to keep my cool with just test. I dont know about tren. Everything ive heard and read up on it doesnt sound to enticing.
Honesty is the best policy when debating this compound. There are alot of guys on here that just can't handle it. It turns people into fucking head cases... There are other compounds that can get you there if run properly and the work is put in...
all this happened to me as well but the more times I ran cycles with tren in them the less problematic they have become. I use to get the cough almost everytime I shot tren ace, terrible nite sweats, insomnia, anger and a extra evil guy in my brain telling me to start shit. i almost never have any of these problems.
tren for me is,only used as a low dose. I only run ace. it gives me wicked dreams where I will wake up all emotions or angry lol that's when I can sleep most of the time I have trouble going to sleep. I feel like kicking everyone's ass. if I take to much it gives me anxiety. on the plus side it does put on lean mass quick but I prefer npp over it anyday
Im not sure why people have such a bad experience on tren. If you dont control the sides properly then all the sides are what you get. I ran it on a 1 to 1 basis with Test and the worst side i had was paranoia and restless sleep. I controlled the sides by making sure my e2 was in check, took in a lot of carbs, took b6 and b12 and prami at night. Then again it was only 400 a week to test the waters. Will I run it again? You bet your ass, but next time it will be a little higher.
I guess we are the lucky ones. My sleep is even okay on tren. I sweat all goddamn night and wake up freezing from being soaked lol, but that is truly the worst of my sides. I have only run tren a and really have no intention of running tren e at this point so I can only speak for one of the three or four variants. But tren a loves me and I love it. I am more emotional on tren a but not in an aggressive way at all. I truly loathe going off it.
It's mostly because you are controlling the sides and making sure everything is in check and not skipping a beat. I was meticulous about all the controllers; made sure my carb intake was steady, took my Prami at the same time every night; e.t.c. You do that and your ride will be a pleasant one! I was more horny on tren then any test cycle I did.
Same here on the libido. On this run I have been avoiding using caber. I only have taken it when it starts getting difficult to finish. That appears to be my sign that prolactin is getting high. 1/4 of a 1mg caber and I am good again for awhile. I will get bloods here shortly to see for sure. But yes, I pin it ED around the same time, I do eat carbs but I do try to avoid having them too late before bed or it will be a wet sleep,lol. It will be somewhat wet regardless but late carbs I turn into rainforest man.
I personally have run Tren A with excellent results, but it comes at a cost.
I turned into a complete maniac/monster. I must have destroyed 2 doors, threw my weight about constantly at work, people around me couldnt recognise me anymore, I was a completely different person. I was constantly paranoid, things at home were at an all time low with the missus, constantly me fighting with her I was a Grade A asshole to anyone and everyone around me.
The gains are good, but it comes at a cost, I'm going to do my best to stay away from Tren in future. It's not worth losing the people around you who love you.
There are 3 or 4 compounds I could run together for the same effects of tren without all the bad sides and being shutdown so harshly. Tren will be the last injectable I touch if I ever do. That's my opinion.
Please post up your stats and tell us your cycle history sir.
From a POV without knowing why you're asking... it's a good compound but I feel you should explore several other before running it if you ever run it that is...
I see these guys who include tren in their first cycle (they usually are here because they've messed up their body and need he'll) but I always think to myself what a waste...a test only cycle will give you huge gains if your diet and training are on point...test and var or test and dbol...massive... so when circumvent those wonderful cycles thatbdont shut you down near as hard, have a fraction the sides and just as good of gains in the begining? Idk...I don't get it personally... it's a waste of money and once you start running tren every cycle then you don't want to go back and try fantastic compounds like mast or eq or nandro.
Two yrs ago I decided to drop the tren for 2 cycles and those cycles were quality I felt better on the first one then I have in years.(I avoided most night sweats, weird dreams, breathing like a freight train, lowered cardio performance) I enjoyed those two cycles so much so that my two cycles this past year only one contained tren and it was hex....tbh the gains weren't much better than without and I just feel better without it.
My next cycle is going to Pharma Cyp, Pharma GH, EQ, and maybe one oral of choice (I'm undecided and I've got some time) I feel better on that Pharma GH/Cyp combo then just about anything else...
So in summary tren isn't something to be taken lightly...I highly recommend to everyone out there to explore all your options first there's tons of amazing cycles that don't include the sides and harsh shut down of tren
5'8 215 9%bf. Ive cycled a 10 week on test e. Had good gains felt great. Im only asking cause I have a buddy that is hell bent on us doing our next cycle running test e and tren. I have mu doubts from what ive researched and dont know if its the right thing for me. I just wanted to hear a few peoples opinions so o could share the info with him. Im wanting to do a 12 wek of test e and dbol. I think that fits me for what I want.
Well said and seems like your a MOD for a good reason....Tren is a compound we can do without a bit of research into other compounds and how to cycle them together will work just as well and if not better, the sides of tren just arnt worth it.
Yes sir the older I get the rougher the pct is on me after tren about two weeks into pct after tren I feel like crap and act like a 12 yr old girl who just got dumped by the love of her life...so now when I run it Ikeep the doses low and duration short and I've even moved it to the middle of my cycles or beginning that way it clears out while I'm still on test...tbh though I'm loving these pharma cyp and gh cycles with just an extra oral or inject on the side
It's more for experienced guys! If you have a family at home or a gf at home I suggest staying away from it! Paranoia is also a really bad side. Relationships and tren do not mix well! I'm on my last week and the last 2 days have hit me really hard with phsyc issues! But at the same time the tren train is good for gains if you can handle the sides!
There's other compounds that will give you tren like gains if diet and training are dialed in.
Don't wanna just dish out cycle advice but some research will show it's do able with other compounds, but this isn't something to just jump in with either as you'd need to stack 3 compounds and that goes against the adding one compound per cycle protocol of eroids.
Don't take it unless you fasten your seat belt. That shit is fucking beast. You in for 1 hell of a ride . But works amazing love it.
For sure. Its a strange chemical. Not my cup of tea I think steering clear of it would be in my best interest.
One of the strongest AAS ever created no questions.
Should be treated with respect and I think best resevered
for advanced athletes.
Definitely. By the time I would have enough cycles under my belt to even think about it, ill be an old man lol.
There is a ton of info on Tren on this site. When people ask about this, I ask what there motivation is or what expectations they have in choosing to run Tren instead of something else.
For some people, it has a shit load of negative sides and it troubles me that some folk think this is some kind of wonder drug.
If your work effort in the gym is just average, adding Tren to a cycle is not going to either make you a mass monster or rip you to shreds depending on the application.
Absolutely. I looked up everything I could on it. It does its job thats for sure. I just dont hink I could handle the extra that comes with it.
You're really not missing anything! LOL
I am not sure if I am just lucky or what. I am on low test....200 wk and started @ 50 EOD Tren/ .125 OD prami. I feel the only sides I had were from the Prami...Week later bump to75 EOD/,25 ED Prami...Noticing some fat loss and small strength gains....More like not losing size from Test cycle. Week later bumped to 100 Tren EOD/.35 Prami.....I really do not have ANY sides....No sweats/have a little sleeplessness/ which I attribute to the Prami./No aggressiveness...So far I have loss some Fat and zero strength...I Like this stuff. About to go back up to 1g test/600eq and will try keeping tren 50 EOD and see how that works
Im nervous about the stuff. My buddy wants to take it but I dont think its the stuff for me. I sweat like a beast just taking test. I havent ever really slept all that well ever. Just think things could only get worse for me. Im glad that you are having a positive experience with it though.
Me too on test.....I sweat like a pig ALL the time. Especially if I go over 600-700.. Never sleep good any more...Xanax helps that. I was hesitant seeing that I am almost 52 and everyone on ALL the websites say it is Soooo bad. I have done 20-30 cycles mostly Test/Dbol/Deca......Low test/High Tren seems to work for me. I don't even sweat at work....Start low 50 EOD....move up weekly until you see any sides and back it down...Take the Prami/Caber!!
I think if you naturally have some issues like anxiety, OCD , ADD, paranoia, things of that sort, tren can amplify them tremendously. I know my anxiety gets really bad on tren. It also disrupts my sleep to the point I start to get miserable and snappy, when u throw the extra aggression in with that, u can become pretty angry or aggressive. You need to be able to catch yourself as soon as you start feeling your blood boil over something.
It can also make me over emotional at times. I cannot run tren without being on blood pressure meds, it causes my BP to spike randomly to the point I turn red and start to sweat and my heart starts pounding and fluttering . It's not a drug to take lightly by any means, you need to be mentally mature to handle this drug, ESP at higher doses.
I dont think that I would ever try it.
Well Tren is used for feedlot cattle going to slaughter. They tend to put on lean tissue during transport or barely grazing
My opinion on it or someone else's really doesn't matter. It works well at just about any damn aspect of the game. But the sides can really hit hard as Rusty said, which is unique to the individual. For the most part doesn't bother me aside from some sleep issues. Then I have friends who can't control their Blood pressure, are always uncomfortably hot and sweating, can't get erections, get terrible anxiety, kidney function takes a dive, etc..
Tren is a bridge that in my opinion should only be crossed only late in the game and when being used with a very clear purpose. 19 nors can be a bitch anyway with tren being queen bitch; many people get sucked into thinking it's business as usual with a 19nor in a cycle...not so much...My opinion, read and educate...the drug isn't for everyone
I just dont think I would be able to handle it. Its not something that ive ever wanted to try. Im a simple guy. Ill stick with the less invasive shit.
RustyhookerHave your friend join so he can learn from others as well. It's not a chem to go lightly with. It will bite you if not ready. Can bite you even when ready.
I believe he is going to join. Im not doing it anytime soon or if ever. Im comfortable with just test and maybe dbol. He definitely needs to hear from people that have had the experience.
RustyhookerThere's so many sweet combos out there. Eat n grow or clean diet and cut. Without all the issues. I look back at ferrigno and arnold...they did it before tren was the fad.
Absolutely.
I love tren tren loves me. Do not take tren until you've reached your 5th to 6th cycle maybe even more ....keep it 400-600mg ew no need to go higher..6-8 weeks tops ...keep a level head and think before you act, and get ready to have super human strength.
My worry qould be lose of self control. I was able to keep my cool with just test. I dont know about tren. Everything ive heard and read up on it doesnt sound to enticing.
Honesty is the best policy when debating this compound. There are alot of guys on here that just can't handle it. It turns people into fucking head cases... There are other compounds that can get you there if run properly and the work is put in...
I dont think I will ever mess around with it.
all this happened to me as well but the more times I ran cycles with tren in them the less problematic they have become. I use to get the cough almost everytime I shot tren ace, terrible nite sweats, insomnia, anger and a extra evil guy in my brain telling me to start shit. i almost never have any of these problems.
Thats what im getting from alot of people. Im sticking with test e and dbol for right now.
tren for me is,only used as a low dose. I only run ace. it gives me wicked dreams where I will wake up all emotions or angry lol that's when I can sleep most of the time I have trouble going to sleep. I feel like kicking everyone's ass. if I take to much it gives me anxiety. on the plus side it does put on lean mass quick but I prefer npp over it anyday
Im not sure why people have such a bad experience on tren. If you dont control the sides properly then all the sides are what you get. I ran it on a 1 to 1 basis with Test and the worst side i had was paranoia and restless sleep. I controlled the sides by making sure my e2 was in check, took in a lot of carbs, took b6 and b12 and prami at night. Then again it was only 400 a week to test the waters. Will I run it again? You bet your ass, but next time it will be a little higher.
I guess we are the lucky ones. My sleep is even okay on tren. I sweat all goddamn night and wake up freezing from being soaked lol, but that is truly the worst of my sides. I have only run tren a and really have no intention of running tren e at this point so I can only speak for one of the three or four variants. But tren a loves me and I love it. I am more emotional on tren a but not in an aggressive way at all. I truly loathe going off it.
It's mostly because you are controlling the sides and making sure everything is in check and not skipping a beat. I was meticulous about all the controllers; made sure my carb intake was steady, took my Prami at the same time every night; e.t.c. You do that and your ride will be a pleasant one! I was more horny on tren then any test cycle I did.
Same here on the libido. On this run I have been avoiding using caber. I only have taken it when it starts getting difficult to finish. That appears to be my sign that prolactin is getting high. 1/4 of a 1mg caber and I am good again for awhile. I will get bloods here shortly to see for sure. But yes, I pin it ED around the same time, I do eat carbs but I do try to avoid having them too late before bed or it will be a wet sleep,lol. It will be somewhat wet regardless but late carbs I turn into rainforest man.
I personally have run Tren A with excellent results, but it comes at a cost.
I turned into a complete maniac/monster. I must have destroyed 2 doors, threw my weight about constantly at work, people around me couldnt recognise me anymore, I was a completely different person. I was constantly paranoid, things at home were at an all time low with the missus, constantly me fighting with her I was a Grade A asshole to anyone and everyone around me.
The gains are good, but it comes at a cost, I'm going to do my best to stay away from Tren in future. It's not worth losing the people around you who love you.
Thats my opinion, everyones different
There are 3 or 4 compounds I could run together for the same effects of tren without all the bad sides and being shutdown so harshly. Tren will be the last injectable I touch if I ever do. That's my opinion.
how would you know if you have never tried Tren? Nothing compares to and tren does things that nothing else does good and bad.
I'll just have to take your word for it bro.
Could you please mention those compounds and how would you cycle them? Thanks
Send me a FR and message me. I'm not going to outline cycles in the open for some kid to mess himself up before he's 25. Safety first.
right good move
Please post up your stats and tell us your cycle history sir.
From a POV without knowing why you're asking... it's a good compound but I feel you should explore several other before running it if you ever run it that is...
I see these guys who include tren in their first cycle (they usually are here because they've messed up their body and need he'll) but I always think to myself what a waste...a test only cycle will give you huge gains if your diet and training are on point...test and var or test and dbol...massive... so when circumvent those wonderful cycles thatbdont shut you down near as hard, have a fraction the sides and just as good of gains in the begining? Idk...I don't get it personally... it's a waste of money and once you start running tren every cycle then you don't want to go back and try fantastic compounds like mast or eq or nandro.
Two yrs ago I decided to drop the tren for 2 cycles and those cycles were quality I felt better on the first one then I have in years.(I avoided most night sweats, weird dreams, breathing like a freight train, lowered cardio performance) I enjoyed those two cycles so much so that my two cycles this past year only one contained tren and it was hex....tbh the gains weren't much better than without and I just feel better without it.
My next cycle is going to Pharma Cyp, Pharma GH, EQ, and maybe one oral of choice (I'm undecided and I've got some time) I feel better on that Pharma GH/Cyp combo then just about anything else...
So in summary tren isn't something to be taken lightly...I highly recommend to everyone out there to explore all your options first there's tons of amazing cycles that don't include the sides and harsh shut down of tren
5'8 215 9%bf. Ive cycled a 10 week on test e. Had good gains felt great. Im only asking cause I have a buddy that is hell bent on us doing our next cycle running test e and tren. I have mu doubts from what ive researched and dont know if its the right thing for me. I just wanted to hear a few peoples opinions so o could share the info with him. Im wanting to do a 12 wek of test e and dbol. I think that fits me for what I want.
Well said and seems like your a MOD for a good reason....Tren is a compound we can do without a bit of research into other compounds and how to cycle them together will work just as well and if not better, the sides of tren just arnt worth it.
Well said! Tren is an odd beast. As much as as I love it, I also hate it. Im sad to end a tren cycle but happy that its over.
Yes sir the older I get the rougher the pct is on me after tren about two weeks into pct after tren I feel like crap and act like a 12 yr old girl who just got dumped by the love of her life...so now when I run it Ikeep the doses low and duration short and I've even moved it to the middle of my cycles or beginning that way it clears out while I'm still on test...tbh though I'm loving these pharma cyp and gh cycles with just an extra oral or inject on the side