posted Sun, 05/26/2013 - 18:22
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Just curious if any other old heads out there agree that you don't always need Test as a base for your cycle.It seems now a days that that's all you here is Test this Test that.I remember my first cycle was deca and dbol and I had great gains. Just curious
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BiteyThe only way you could run test without a base was if you were using an boldenone base and even that's not really recommended. boldenone will aromatize into estro and convert into DHB which while not optimal for the body is a semi suitable as a replacement for testosterone.
Testosterone should be the base of all cycles. Your body needs it. When you take steroids your natural production is suppressed. Some people aren't suppressed as much as others and may be able to get by without a test base, but won't have the well being they would have if they had a test base.
Yeah sure u can run a cycle with no test base,,,,, if your celibate. Haha
I'm not giving anyone bad advice.I was basically
asking If anyone experimented the way I did.I used my first cycale as a example and I was 21 when I did it so getting it up wasn't a problem.I use test not with every cycle because it messes with my BP big time.So I think this whole thing got blown out of proportion.I'm not gonna blast anyone cuz I have my own experiences and I never said not to use test.So everyone can think of me whatever.It was just a simple question.
no problem brother, ur opinion and view is always welcomed
RustyhookerPrecontest too....
yea i run test pre contest, or else i ll go flat
RustyhookerSo manipulation is still the best route. Nice!
thats old school..you could for maybe 4 weeks.... test is really for ur sex drive, if u run deca at 750mg a week and provin at 50 mg with masteron , the shut down will still be sever , and u wont be able to get it up. with that said , i feel like test is also good for mental state. if using deca alone , u ll feel that shutdown and that depression will come in. test really takes a supportive role , if its not a the primary anabolic cycle for example, test @ 150 mg per week with 400mg of tren. without test , ur body wont be able to function properly, u could argue that deca is a different form of test, sure, but its not the form of test the body produces there fore it will have a different effect. deca is not the proper androgen for normal physiological function within the body. there fore u ll have no libido, eventually fall into a depression, and the endocrine system will not be functioning properly .. i rather keep my sanity and sex drive with the sacrifice of pinning 250 mg of test e a week.. now im politely reasoning, and not telling u that u wont be here for long so dont blast me
x2 exactly what I wanted to say!!!!!
Your approach is considered old school. Remember there's 15 years of bro science behind test as a base. Rookie juicers will look at this and think "oh dudes been juicin for 15 years and didnt use test as a base, I should try that" I'm not gunna allow that to fly brotha. It's not right.
x2!!!
Everyone chilll.This started from me.I was just stating my experiences over the past 15 years
Wow...any newbies who read this. Run test as a base. Don't be stupid and run deca or tren by itself.
BigBmajIf anyone is stupid enough to run a cycle based on a post or two they happen to bump into they deserve some depression and limp dick.
For newbs, yes, most definitely agreed. For more experienced, they should already know how to run these molecules by themselves and if their bodies can without negative sides and at what doses.
well said!!!! ^^^^^^
Maybe I should stop doing steroids with my anger.Lol
And me because of my EXTREME estrogen from not enough test LOL
I hope you get banned mate!!
Wow...ive done nothing wrong but talk about juice. You're the one getting all defensive and insulting people. Why don't you just take a few deep breaths and cool down.
lol im sure the mods can read through and see what the go is mate so good luck!!! whole ridiculous thread will hopefully be deleted!!! goodbye.
HIT SOME MASTERON.Your shit will be a flag pole.
Exactly! I love mast. Since you've been around the block, post more brother. I'd love to hear your insights about things. I have done a lot of research and I know a lot, but I would really like to learn more and I'm sure you have a lot of wisdom to impart.
Cheers!
No prob.I'll send you a F/R.Don't know how old you are but I hope some of the younger ones take this stuff to note.Test is good but I just do a little cuz its sides in a bottle with my Bp.
Oh bye the way married,kids enough said.LOL.
hey bro everyones here to help, but you cant call people names and swear at people
I did jump the gun.I do apologize.
For any of you that took me the wrong way. I just get pissed off because it seems like its always critacizym on theses boards.It's never anything positive when you ask simple question
Test is test is test. Deca is test and e is test. They all hit the same receptors. You can choose your base as whatever you like, but you need to do so because you know what you're doing. Otherwise, choose natural test. My rats are using a mast e and tren e base. Then prop and npp. The rat runs this because it's a good combo of quick and long esters, plus it's good for some bulk, but clean, dry gains too. You need to know exactly how nandrolones effect your body and how each of these modified test molecules is different and why.
You know what pissed me off you get get a bunch of young kids that do a few cycles compared to somebody who's juiced for the past 15 fuckin years and you get a bunch if negative comments.Instead of doing or reading what everyone else does go experiment then let me know what you think.Telling me I won't last long here.If anything you should probably get some education from some old school motherfuckers.You 180 pounder negative fuckers.
testosterone is the main male hormone!! if you run other compounds such as deca it will shut your natural production completely, so you run a test base to keep test in your system, that's the easiest way to say it without going into a scientific debate, men need test!!
There are differences between compounds, obviously, but they are all test and hitting the exact SAME receptors. We don't take natural copied test to keep test in our system lol. One of the biggest things that happen with people who have issues with deca is the lack of androgens in our system affecting our receptors.
WELL STATED.
oh go run a gram of deca a week with no test and see how you go
Done it for longer..because deca is ester is much longer than a week, if you knew that. Each of our bodies is more or less sensitive to different things. My rat was just fine. What you're talking about is a misunderstood gym myth. Do your research before you take what people say as truth. Most people don't know any of the medical aspects of juice. Just do your research bro. I used to think the same before I dug into the medical research.
Deca is test bro. Test is test is test.
lol
Do your research. There is a very good book that you can download from amazon for around ten bucks that will tell you in detail about many medical aspects of juice.
hahaha ok mate I don't need research you do!!! I want you to run a deca and eq cycle with no test and log it!!!! being smug mate, you took what I said the wrong way and I aint going to bother typing what I actually meant to you your unitelligble
Lol. Didn't you just say not to insult people? Stop being a hypocrite and having your own little roid rage. Just get to know how things really work, for your own sake and anyone else that you talk to. I'm sure you know plenty about stuff, but this is something you only partially know.
lol well if you've ran cycles of deca of over a gram for longer with no test, no wonder your being like this mate must be all that estrogen and no test
Deca doesn't have much of an estrogen conversion! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You kill me brother.
lol thanks mate
What happened that pissed you off bro? I'm not seeing anything in the comments below and I was writing mine when you wrote yours.
Not you boss man.Below you.I know all the scientifics behind test.I was just seeing if any other older experienced users had the same experience as I did
Ah. Got ya. Hopefully others have similar experiences...assuming they've done they're research. Most gym rats just go on hear say
I learned from old school and my nutritionists worked with Lee priest,Arnold,Haney.So I stick with what that man tells me.
yeah ok, no problems well if you already have good advice don't swear at other people on here then mate, go have your roid rage elsewhere bro
Of course your gains were great lol, you were taking steroids.
The reason people always use atleast a trt level dose during cycle is because there are other roles testosterone plays in the brain besides building muscle and growing facial hair. What exactly? I don't know maybe someone else can chime in and win you over to this young head way of thinking lol.
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