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hey im new here and want to start injecting..I've had good results in the past with an oral call sust evol...however I want to inject to sve the liver... i'm highly athletic and do a lot of cross fit, 2 to 8 mile runs and still need to be strong and move a lot of weight while keeping high endurance..ive read forums for months and don't really know where to start as there are soooooo many different products out there I don't know what is right for me..i am at a gym regularly and am def at a plateau..im 29 yrs old and about 185 lbs 6'1''..i want about 10 to 15 more lbs of muscle along with getting stronger and faster.. one friend recommended sust 250... am I on the right track or are there any other recommendations..ive also looked at test p 100 but don't know which is better for me..obviously I have a pct in mind as well also. thanks for the help
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thanks guys keep the info coming as I will research and consider all those options and def do respect keeping my source private so as not to offend anyone nor give helpers a bad name..as far as calorie intake I do inhale a lot of food and just looking now I bounce between 2500 to 4200 calories..my job makes it hard to eat when I need to..i have been 10 lbs heavier before but was gorging myself with so much food that my stomach swelled and my body fat was higher than I like...but weight isn't my only goal. mainly its performance in the athletic and strength department. so im listening and researching suggestions and info.. thanks again for the help guys
At your height and weight you should be able to add that 10-15lbs naturally. It may be hard to gain weight right now because of your high activity level, but if you eat enough you should be able to do it. Steroids will not put that weight on you if you are not eating properly. What is you caloric intake? Based upon your stats and activity level you should be eating a minimum of 3700 calories just to maintain your weight. If you are looking to gain weight (muscle), you should be eating 4000+ calories/day. 30-40% of those calories should be protein. If your diet is up to par then you could try a basic 12wk test e cycle. Test e is the base of all cycles so you need to run that simple cycle first to see how you respond to it.
Proper diet first then AAS.
so why test e and why is it different from test p? and do you know anything about boldenone? ive heard it was great for endurance type activities.. as far as diet I don't know if you saw my other post it does fluctuate due to my job and being able to get time to eat and prep meals so if I did a cycle it would be at a time when I would have time to have a picture perfect diet..im sick of seeing all those guys around me with the same diet as me and they are athletic beasts with tons of energy and fast recovery due to what they inject..i'm ready to just get with the program. I just want the right program and have no idea what exactly they are on..
Mike1982First , you've found the site that has everything. You have to understand that some people's genetics will just be better or worse than yours. The difference between testosterone enanthate and testosterone propionate is the release time (ester). Yes we know a lot about boldenone. It's main form is boldenone undecylenate otherwise known as equipoise. It is known well for those related issues but my friend please listen to us. You need to research more before you inject anything. We have your best interests in mind and please trust me when I say there are no short cuts when it comes to responsible aas use. These compounds can be dangerous to you if not used the proper way. We are all about education and responsible use here. We will spend as much time as necessary to help you be where you need to be knowledge and athletic wise alike. I don't ever do this because I'm very selective on who I will be friends with here. But if you would like I will spend as much time as necessary to help you meet your goals responsibly. This goes against a lot of my rules but education comes second next to security.
oh and yes my research will continue b4 I make a decision thanks..that's why I have not ordered anything yet as I was not sure what was best for me..honestly I like what you said about test e because it is simple form and not too crazy..i am doing research on it and the different types of test and esters to see what I feel might fit me with the least amount of side effects..i'm just glad I got pointed in the right direction..thanks again..
Mike1982There is a big difference between test e and test p ad it pertains to release time. Testosterone enanthate is usually the one recommended for a first cycle because it has a medium ester and doesn't need every other day injections. I, on the other hand recommend testosterone propionate for the first cycle because of the fact that you can guage your body's response to testosterone and if you find undesireable effects you can stop it and it will be out of your body faster than enanthate. This is just me though. Feel free to start wherever you want and enanthate is a good middle ground to do that. Just check out the half lives and release times and make your decision based on that.
ok understood..I've been reading up on both and that seems to be what I noticed also..how long do they usually take to kick in and I hear all these people talking about 10 week and more cycles when im used to hearing about 3 week cycles..can you shed some light on cycle times..is 3 weeks enough time for an ''on cycle''? or will the effects not kick in when only used for 3 weeks followed by a 2-3 week pct?
Mike1982If you are running an actual cycle then no that will not be long enough. Especially if you are running test enanthate. At 3 weeks the test e is just really starting to build up in your body and if you stop after 3 weeks it would just be a waste. 6 weeks would be the minimum to use that...bare minimum and if you are just starting out 12 should kind of be the top out. So 8-10 weeks is usually the recommended as its in between the min. and max.
o ok..so do I take the pct after the 8-10 weeks then? or do I implement it in the cycle? also should I add any estrogen blocker in the cycle aside from the pct? or how about any other things to produce any type of stack or should I wait until later for that?
Mike1982Now that opens an entirely different can of worms lol. Anti estrogen on and off cycle is another subject all together. This is just my opinion now, but, maybe your first cycle should contain just the test and then pct off cycle so you can guage you body's response to the jump in testosterone. I, personally, have been on testosterone for going on a year straight. This is because I'm on testosterone replacement therapy. I have never personally ran an anti estrogen on cycle or even on trt, so I can't speak from experience on that, only research I've done. So for now my advice would be to just run the testosterone and gauge your body's response to that, then go from there. I really can't or wouldn't give you advice on a stack as testosterone should and pretty much always is the base of any cycle. Meaning no matter what else you run, be it nandrolone, boldenone, drostanolone...testosterone is always the number one compound and the other is the second as all others will shut your test down really bad. So testosterone is always ran in conjunction with another to keep test levels elevated.
ok thanks gotcha..i'll leave the other subjects for another day then.
Mike1982Vert very true. Great eye and knowledge!
Mike1982Ok first things first. Welcome and its good to have you. Make sure you get familiar with the rules of the forum and site before anything, then lets help get you up to speed on aas. Please do not start using until you have gotten the hang of wjat the hormones and esters do. As well as studying pct. I'm glad you came here before starting as you will find this to be the best decision you have made regarding this issue. I cannot recommend anything for you to use as that would just be irresponsible because we are all very different in our response to these compounds. I do know whatever way you train will be the characteristics you will take on. The pros will be able to help you in a more in depth capacity. I am always into the science and they have the experience to go with that research. Sustanon, hmmmm I don't see that being recommended. Prop, much more ground level and if you experience undesireable effects it can be put of you quickly. Seeing as you crossfit I wouldn't recommend a long ester like sustanon or test enanthate. Make sure you study every hormone and ester (controls release time) in depth and listen to your body. Again its good to have you and please don't mention any source names in the open forum (it has been an issue of late). Good luck my friend.
can you recommend any good sites that really break down and explain the hormones and esters that your talking about? and thanks again for the welcome and having patience with a guy who knows hardly anything in the roid world.
Mike1982We were all beginners at some point. Thats why I don't like it when people act high and mighty like they were born with the steroid bible engrained in their heads. We are a brotherhood here and trust me you don't want any other aas site but this one. You have struck gold my friend.
very nice! glad for the help and I can see from all the other posts this is a sight with a lot of experienced people and passionate ones alike...security is my number one as well so no worries there..i just watched videos on steroid.com about test e and p and am starting to feel like im getting on the right track..again I mentioned earlier I have used a pill form years ago called sust evol..I don't know alot about it but I had good friends help me with it and a good pct and results were great and no side effects noticed other than I got pissed easy and mild acne which I had as a teen so knew how to fix. I look forward to getting into the real deal and be at the same level as some of the guys around me which have told me to give it a try and they actually turned me onto this site..i cannot talk more about my line of work but again security is most important. and i'm sure you and many others are on the same or similar wave length. currently I just started this stuff called pbold and oxydrene for my athletic lifestyle and so far only being day 3 I have noticed small gains as far as energy and no lactic acid build up...I wonder if adding test e or p to it would be good..oh and this pbold is not pill nor inject..u spray it in liquid form under the tongue.. its the only thing legal here that was recommended to me from a trusted source. ill give more feedback on it as time goes on