New to forum- question regarding Anadrol
Created my profile, posted my stats... I also used the "magnifying glass" feature before I decided to make this post...
I am seeking solid and experienced information regarding anadrol... I managed to get thru about 4 pages using the search feature but most of what I found was comparisons between A50 and dbol and anavar...
My question is this- when should I add A50 in my next cycle? At the beginning or end? I have seen many conflicting suggestions including a 2 week on, 2 week off routine... i would like to get some reasonable feedback from the experienced members of this forum regarding the use of this compound...
My next cycle will be my 8th cycle and will also be the first time I have used orals... I am planning on using sust and eq for 16 weeks with test e on the tail end... I have my pct prepared as well- nolva, clomid and hcg...
Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide me...
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I would suggest tossing this idea into the trash my friend, IMO it's a mess... Why sust and Test-E? You already have 4 different esterified testosterone hormones, and the decanoate is the longest, it'll surpass the enanthate. I think you meant you wanna taper off with propionate....Adding in enanthate is only going to delay the pct process...
Good points friend... I will take those into serious consideration...
I agree with Dansta. If you want to add an oral Dbol is a better first choice for bulk, oxandrolone is optimal for sculpting. I have had good balanced quality results with Turinabol with essentially zero sides. Those all seem like better options than oxymeth just my .02
please elaborate ? test e tale end? cycle is bunk, test and proviron is what you want, test prop kicker! weeks 1-12 test e- @ 600, weeks 1-4 test prop- 100 eod, proviron throughout, pct week 14, clomid, nolva, boom, no toxic drol, cleaner, safer and better gains. ai as needed.
Well, golly gee willikers bro! How about a renewing of your mind here. The first time using orals doesn't automatically mean u have to select one of the most poisonous of them. Does it? How about a different question - if u should use drol in your next cycle. I haven't seen the cycle but why not do a var finish and harden up a bit and work off some of that water - u can run the var right up to PCT.
That post from dansta on the bottom. All true. Keep reading it over and over till it sinks in.
AnonSuperdrol is the big bad nasty pill of choice nowadays so anadrol has taken a bit of step back, but still needs to be respected as does all of our compounds..
Wallabookie hit home with that post..read it many times..alot to take in..mostly play doses safe if legit high strength drol..alot of fakes or cut to fuk out there mind you..so choose wisely aswell.there is pharma grade thai floating about..I cant seem to locate it..but your country is easier to obtain whatever is you like-pp2010
True, unfortunately. Anadrol was introduced into the U.S. anyways in 1960 by Syntex pharmaceuticals. Every little nuance of drol is completely understood. Syntex also developed methasterone (sdrol) around the same time but never brought it to market - instead they introduced the non-17α-alkylated related compound drostanolone (Masteron). So the stuff popped back up as a "designer steroid" like about 10 years ago. To me, what makes superdrol a big bad nasty pill is not only the demonstrated liver and kidney damage we know it does but the simple fact there is so much we don't know about it.
x2 no telling how sd will affect ppl in future, its too young, i used it first time 7 yrs ago, i wake up hoping i havent grown an extra foot or ear etc it is a worry! sd actually worries me!
Thanks man... I appreciate the info you provided and the manner in which you do so... This is the kind of communication I had hoped for when I joined the boards...
AnonYou will find even the ones that come across as arsholes really do want only but the best outcome for fellow aas bros.
The genuine trolls dont last long around up in here as the mods have hard on for them!
Give it some time and im sure you will love this set up...ALOT of very helpfull professionals willing to bend over backwards for you..as with all things..some bones need to be made.but.well worth it!
Regardless you get a sence you know what you are doing so in that im sure you will do well.
Welcome to eroids!
Understood...
And again, thanks for your help my friend...
Golly gee willikers? You know, I almost let this slide but nah... I had a "renewing" of my mind and realized that your sarcasm and self-rightousness have clouded your reading comphrehension... I asked for solid information yet I was provided some crap that you should save for a twenty something that approaches you for advice...
Keep the discussion on topic please...
Bro, I was just being nice and friendly. I don't think drol is the best choice u can make for a first run with an oral anabolic for reasons amply provided already in responses to your post. All the responses take it as a given that drol is to be run and I'm simply saying there are better alternatives. Something "sarcastic" is written word so cutting it "rips the flesh off bone" and "self-righteousness" is really about moral superiority and I don't think we are dealing with any moral issues at all . . . Anyways, sorry to offend . . .
Apology accepted...
I appreciate your concern regarding anadrol and the potential hazards but I have already made up my mind and am simply looking for insight as to time and frequency of its' use in a cycle... I have considered alternatives and I took my time deciding on anadrol based on what I am trying to achieve...
I would really like to hear about any experiences you have had with the compound...
Since u r not gonna be running this for more than a few weeks at the beginning or end of a cycle, I'm really confused as to what difference u think it is gonna make in the outcome. I could be dead wrong here, and I hope I am - but when I here words like "my mind is made up" that gives me a picture of somebody who is looking to us for a strategy to keep running drol for the duaration of the cycle - I don't think anyone here is gonna cosign that. Like I said, I hope that is not what u r looking to do . . .
No man... When I said my mind was made up I meant that my choice of anadrol has been made and i plan on seeing it through... All I want to do is have a better understanding of the reasons for the different times it is used in a cycle (beginning for bulking, end for cutting or competition) and some insight on the frequecy based on others experience (everyday-eod-2 weeks on/off etc)..
Let me put it this way... If I was to start tomorrow I would be starting with 25mg for seven days just to see how my body is going to respond... If all is good then I would go 4 weeks at 50mg a day and that would be it... I am intrigued by the relatively fast gains in size and strength associated with this compound but I am in no hurry to destroy what I have spent the last five years building...
I figured when I said that my mind was made up you might check my stats thinking I was a twenty something... But in reality, that was my way of saying I simply decided on that compound and I'm a stubborn old man...
Hahahaha......... i thought i was stubborn at that age! dont blink brother it gets way worse lmfao!
Anyways back on topic.... start with 25mg ED to see how you tolerate it, if all is good after 1wk up that dosage to 50mg but do not increase any higher on this first use bro.... get used to the feeling Abombs bring and watch the sodium intake or you will blow up like a water bottle lol..... you will read some lunatics will be running 200mg ... little do they know they are gaining zero benefit from this particular compound by jacking doses up that far... 100mg is max dosage and yields the best gains/sides ratio..... high doses of Drol = high sides like crippling headaches, numbness in the limbs from the increased water retention forcing pressure onto nerves and the like..... learn Drol well and it will treat you right!... abuse it and believe me it will kick the shit out of your kidneys and liver!... keep checking the whites of your eyes whilst using! any signs of yellowing is signs of jaundice booting up............ Hefty liver support is the order of the day when running orals but especially with Drol or Sdrol because they have the potential to be really harsh depending on the persons organ strength/health.
Hope this helps some brother...... good luck and dont forget plenty of fluids, even the through the night is recommended :))
Thanks for the heads up... I was told that my forties were going to be my prime years... After seeing your avatar I now have raised the bar on my expectations of myself for the next decade... But I digress...
You emphasize both hydration and liver support... Aside from milk thistle/silymarin, is there any other supplement I need to familiarize myself with? I might be stubborn but I am open to any and all suggestions so that I can maintain my health as well as my physique...
There are a number of good liver support supplements out there. One of the better ones is TUDCA (Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid). It is used to treat cholestasis (bile acid backup in the liver) that is a consequence of the use of oral anabolic steroids. Another product I had luck with is Essentiale Forte N. All the liver supplements are available through multiple on-line sources. If you live in the US, you can order your own blood tests without involving your doctor or insurance. There is nothing better than the habit of regular labs when you're on cycle if u live in a place where this can be accommodated. Better to catch it early on a blood panel before sides like jaundice manifest. At that point, damage is already being done. U can continue to use Milk Thistle with any of these products.
Good looking out bro... I will look into those supplements immediately...
Except for the aromatizing part
Kind of a big one.
Some corrections to the post below:
Anadrol does NOT aromatize- although some do report some interference with the progesterone receptor (similar to 19-nors). This can lead to prolactin sides, leaky nips, etc. Caber or Prami can fix this if it pops up. I would not advocate running either unless you experience these sides from the anadrol.
Also- water retention from drol varies greatly with how you are using it. I hardly "blow up 10+lbs" of water the way I use anadrol.
Anadrol is extremely versatile- it depends on the goals of your cycle.
From the looks of yours it appears to be a lean bulking cycle? If so, running drol in the beginning is a valid option. Especially since EQ takes a minute to kick in.
With that approach, you could do 4 weeks straight of it, 50-100mg a day, and then just stick to the rest of your cycle.
Some guys like the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off approach to bulking. I personally haven't done this, but It would probably allow you to go for awhile before your liver enzymes go out of whack. Bloodwork is really the only safe way to see if this is a viable route for you. I personally don't get crazy liver enzyme values from orals, but they ALWAYS put my lipids in the shitter- just like tren.
Some guys also "pulse" their orals, using them only 3-4 times a week (usually preworkout) to try and lengthen the overall time on. Again, this is something I would do only if I knew how my body (and liver) responded to oral usage.
Now, on a cutting cycle, anadrol can be used on the tail end quite effectively to "fill out" after body fat has been reduced to single digits. That is really the only time I would use it at the tail end of a cycle. And on that note- it is really only for cosmetic purposes at that point- you won't be making "gains" unless you stop cutting. It really helps fill out in a carb/calorie deficit. This is why so many bodybuilders incorporate anadrol in the last few weeks of contest prep before hitting the stage. Using it like this usually brings only minimal water retention. I feel it's the massive bulking diets that make people water logged when running drol.
Good info on the versatility of the compound... I like the front end approach for a lean cycle because my experience so far has been that if I do relatively slow, lean cycles I am able to keep about 80% of my gains (size and weight)...
I have been encouraged to start using the drol now since I am on the tail end of my current cycle but I prefer to start fresh with it since I'm not doing a show or cutting...
Anonid blast it for 4 weeks and be done with it eod at that with anadrol..old school way is 2 on 2 off..anadrol is highly toxic to the liver so have your liver support meds in check..plenty of water to flush it out..most people opt for dbol-i would of choose dbol hearts as my oral cherry popper-all the best,play doses safe!
heres a link to some great words-worth a look,
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/oxymetholone-a....
Thanks for the input... You are the first person to suggest 4 weeks as well as the EOD frequency... I will take this into consideration for sure since the cycle I am planning isn't going to begin until Sept. 1...
I do have my liver meds and I am constantly hydrated...
By the way, I tried the link you provided but got a file not found error...
Anonthese are wallabookies words..vet.pro.massive and a bro. who loves to help
Ok heaps of interest lately on this compound so here are the facts guys. No BS. Oxy is considered to be a good size and strength drug but is a medium high androgen which means aromatisation. It is also very toxic to the liver. All of the nasty sides that you can get with AAS you will get with Oxy.No body can escape the severe water retention, acne, aggressiveness amd toxic effects of Oxy.
WATER. You WILL put on a lot of water weight with Oxy, so expect at least 2-5kg gain in BW over the first 10 days of useage ( you will loose this when you stop taking Oxy). This will give you a puffy moon faced look and if you are unlucky you will get kidney pains when you sit or lie down (sharp pains in the lower back and sides). This seems very common in users of Oxy. This water retention can be reduced by reducing the amount of salt, fat and sugar from your diet. If you like dicing with death then use a diuretic. Some people find that using a mild natural diuretic like tea or coffee can help. This huge increase in water retention is one of the reasons that Oxy makes you so strong in a short time. As water retention increases so does the interstitial pressure in the muscle cells and this allows the muscle to contract harder. This severe increase in water retention that Oxy produces is one of the biggest benefits, and one of the most dangerous sides. DO NOT ignore kidney pains!!!!!!!! Unless you want to end up on a dialysis machine for the rest of your life. This is serious guys.
Toxic effects. People with weak livers may have trouble with the toxicity as well as skinny BBers under 90kg. Arabic, Asian and African decendents seem to get much worse problems with the toxic effects than white or ethnic europeans, due to some weird quirk of human genetics. (have you ever wondered why dark skined BBers sometimes have yellow eyes). The first toxic effect that BBers normaly notice is a feeling of being sick. Not nausea just a general feeling of I don't feel the best. This is sometimes accompanied by headaches, some loss of apetite and difficulty sleeping. Appart from feeling a bit sick the most important side is the possibility of major liver damage. This is first shown by increases in SGOT and SGPT liver functions in your blood tests, and secondly the apperence of biliruben in the skin and eyes. Biliruben is the waste product of the liver, when the liver is under stress and over-working biliruben is produced and will show in the eyes and skin as a yellowish colouring. Biliruben it's self is a brown compound, and if you are in a realy bad you will have brown urine. Most of the other sources tell you too look for yellowing of the eyes when taking Oxy, but this is not a good test. By the time your liver has passed enough biliruben to colour your eyes it is already damaged! You may still be able to avoid SEVERE damage but prevention is better than a cure. The only acceptable test is a regular blood test every 2 weeks to examine your liver functions. Your liver will have less work to do if you cut fats and alcohol from your diet. It takes alot of effort for your liver to process fats, and the added strain of Oxy may be the straw that breaks the camels back. If your liver is under strain, possibly the first thing you will notice is some liver pain. This is usualy feelt like an uncomfortable pressure on your back, on the right side fairly high up. It feels like a dull ache, like you have been punched in the ribs. As this is caused by the pressure from swelling of the liver the pain (feeling of pressure) is worse when you breath in very deeplyor hunch up (or are constpated), as all of these compress the chest cavity.
HEART ATTACKS. Heavy Oxy use makes you a prime target for a heart attack. Not only does it increase your blood pressure but it also thickens your blood. Oxy is the most effective compound for increasing red blood cell count and is used medicaly to trat severe anaemia. This is one of the reasons it is so effective for size and strength increases, but also means that beacuse your blood is thick your heart has to work harder to pump it around the body. This is possibly the reason that powerlifters die of heart attacks, as they are some of the biggest users of Oxy. BBers that use Oxy do not seem to get heart attacks as they generaly do more cardio and pumping exercises that increase the size and efficiency of the vascular system. Apart from doing some cardio or fitness work to try and avoid heart attacks, an Oxy user should consult a doc about taking half an asprin a day. This has been shown to thin the blood and reduce the chance of heart failure.
OTHER SIDES. Oxy does aromatise, although Bitch tits are not common among Oxy users like they are in heavy test and nandrolone users. You will probably get some acne, and like most drugs treatment with RETIN-A may help. You will probably get aggressive, and like all the sides of Oxy they are dose related.
DOSAGE. Most experienced BBers who have used Oxy agree that smaller guys (under 90kg) should not use Oxy or at least take small amounts. It does seem that bigger BBers seem to have less probs with Oxy than the smaller guys. A 100kg BBer could take 100mg a day. If you are relying on Oxy as your main drug you will probably have problems. The smarter BBers seem to agree now that the closest thing to SENSIBLE Oxy useage is to take a small amount (25mg to 75mg per day) with large amounts other oil based steroids. They apparently compliment each other and give good growth with reduced sides. An example would be Oxy 50mg per day, Sustanon 250 2ml a week and Deca at 200mg per week, Test P a 150mg a week. This is not a recommended cycle. It would have greater growth effects than 200mg of Oxy daily, and greatly reduced liver damage in comparison. Oxy should not be taken for more than 6 weeks at a time. Those who use it for longer time periods than this use a smaller amount with tapering. If you are taking Oxy or thinking about taking Oxy please take this information seriously. Oxy is not a good drug for steroid beginners and if you are one of those persons who would not dream of taking 10ml of test and Deca per week then forget about taking Oxy. Most BBers do not realise that even a high dose like 10ml of Test and Deca per week will have less sides than taking 1 0r 2 Oxy tabs a day.
idk about you but 600mg test a week gives me more sides than 150mg of anadrol a day
Lol I'm in that same category... Freaking estro... Can't use dbol for sure
Thanks for providing that info... I found some information that will be very helpful with my cycle...