Lumps
What's up? So I ordered some Test E 500mg/mL from a UG. Previous to this I had been using Test C 200mg/mL from a doc.
While on the Test C I experienced zero PIP and nothing abnormal was noticed other than feeling much better than I had. I kept my dose the same at 200mg per week; .5 Test C or .2 Test E E3D.
With the Test E I experienced what I though was PIP (alternating delts) as I have never had it before I had zero reference. At first it was mildly annoying (like playing arms with a buddy) then would subside the day I was due to pin the other delt. The last two pins however felt like my muscle was being turned to stone but only where it was pinned. The pain was excruciating, I couldn't lift my arms higher than my pecs. I decided to discontinue and ordered some Para Testo C 250mg/mL from UG.
Now I have no pain and normal arm function is back after 4 days of pain. I am left with what looks like a large muscle down the center of each delt, that wasn't there before. It feels like the muscle surrounding it but a little squishier or not has hard just barely. Also when arm is extended and flexed with a downward twist it is clearly visible and looks out of place.
Now I am not a BB by any means, have been doing TRT for about a year or so and just started working out again after a very long hiatus. So the muscles or not big or well defined but am noticing change.
What the hell is this. I would have posted a pic but didn't see an attachment button.
EDit: My sterilization is on key. Swab the top of the vial, leave swab pad on vial. Swab arm. Immediately connect barrel and pin. Remove swab from vial, let dry. Draw juice. Swab top of vial. Put away. Swab arm again, let dry. Pin 30 second push, z track, leave in 5-10 seconds and remove. Cotton for a couple seconds and one more swab of the arm.
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Used an UG lab Test 400 about 5 years ago. Pinned 1/2 a ML in my left quad. Woke up the next day and could barely walk without a limp. The following week i did the other quad but slowed the injection down and warmed the oil for even longer. Same effect. Huge lump,discomfort,and pain for 3-6 days afterwards. Never again. You'll hear horror stories of folks pinning 1-2 ml's of 400-500 mg gear and having crazy reactions.
Like the lump you have is the body reaction to a foreign invader. You've aggravated the surrounding tissue and caused a reaction. Ibuprofen and ice on the affected area should help out. You want to watch for any more swelling or discharge in the affected area. If it feels hot or you develop a fever please seek medical attention as you may be dealing with an abscess.
Your sterile technique wasn't your undoing lad, it was the high mg gear that did you in. We have all been there before.Hope your on the mend shortly.
I tried Test 400 ones. Never again.
There’s a reason Pharma stuff is dosed at 200 and 250...
You know, never looked at it that way. Makes complete fucking sense now! Who would want to do it with that much pain every time?
Like below just mix with any other compound. I will never do over 400mg without mixing with something in the same needle. I had a friend who had some 250mg left and used .5cc that to dilute his 1cc of 500mg test. If money is an issue you can buy anywhere online some "sterile filtered" grapeseed oil to dilute for like $15 per 30ml and mix .25-.5ml/cc in same barrel.
Gotcha... Half way through I was wondering how to get it into the vial in a sterile way. Glad I kept reading.
So by adding .5mL of only grapeseed oil and then .5mL of the T 500 it should give me 250mg/mL, a 1:1 ratio , correct? Can I pin from the same barrel with diff needles? Wondering if I can use .5ml (125mg) on Monday and the other half on Thursday? Or is the barrel burned after one use?
I have never reused anything so I am curious. My gut says absolutely not. But my gut is uneducated and new to the game.
Your gut is right you should use different barrel but i confess i have bought tips and swap tips until numbers wear off barrel. .25 of oil should be fine. Maybe use same barrel once a week and swap tips. Keep barrel in clean ziplock baggie in clean cabinet or drawer. Draw oil then test with same tip then put new tip for injection. .25ml oil is enough to prevent PIP but not too oily for you. You can also get MCT oil. Has to be sterile and filtered. Will come with stopper. My buddies loved sust 350 and test400 or sust500 but would whine about PIP so i bought empty 5ml bottles and made them grapeseed oil bottles to dilute with. They can inject 1ml of sust500 witg .25-.5 of oil diluted and feels smooth.
Damn bro thank you. I have 50mL of this T 500 and was literally going to toss it.
The pip was not bad at first but when I increased the dose Jesus hell did it hurt.
Yeah i never knew you can buy oil yourself before so we would just dilute the test500 with a bottle of 250 lol. But buying your own bottle is way more efficient. But i dont like to over advertise because cleanliness is close to godliness so being sterile is key so im only giving recommendations on what i would do but in no way promoting mixing at home. Be clean brother!
I agree.
He talking about donating it away and he got lots of it. Shoot! Keep that!
AnonAnother test 500 victim! That shit needs a warning lable on it that says "dilute before use" lol
It's meant to be mixed, the value is sweet but you have to stack it with something else or dilute it with oil.
I can pin test e 400 alone but I almost never do. I've been doing it for a couple weeks on a super mild cycle currently and have no pip but I've been pinning these sites for a while and rotate with 10 sites.
Yes that concentrated test hurts..I will never order that stuff again!
PcushionI pin sust 500 and primo 200 in the same barrel.
AnonED right!? I wish I could run all that primo you get!
Yep, sounds like it, lol. Yeah it was a hell of deal, why wouldn't I take 500mg/mL for the same price as the 250mg/mL. I wonder if I can donate these to the goodwill and get a write off, bought quite a few? You live you learn. I have always rotated delts but thinking about throwing in VG.
AnonYeah you need several more spots to rotate in. You'll run into more problems down the road if you only use 2-4 sites especially because you pin non stop. At least use glutes and ventro glutes too, that gives you a total of 6.
Molinin302Aside from concentration, sometimes I get mild PIP from my TRT cyp sometimes, but the shorter esters i procure from the sources here, I'd be suspect if I didn't get some post injection soreness. Our bodies react differently, flu shots, tetanus, anything really can cause soreness. Take your temp and BP, if they're elevated you may have an issue. If not, you're more than likely ok. Again, if I were to inject prop or sust from a new source and got zero PIP, me personally would be scheduling a blood test. But thats me. Best wishes guy
Thanks for the info. No med issues just the two muscle lumps left. I am one of those that has zero pain during and after any IM injection, no matter the substance. I now know what it feels like to be human and feel pain.
Molinin302Its a learning process, some of the the things I do are antiquated, but I will embrace the new knowledge. I do have to ask though, when you're pinning those delts how much oil and what gauge needle are you using?
I B&C, well I did it once in the year I have been on TRT. Cruise is 200mg/ week, 100mg (.5mL) E3D. Blast was 500mg/ week, 100mg (.5mL) M-F Sat-Sun no pin. Alternating delts;.5/8" 25g.
Pinning like a drug to me so I like doing it every day.
I’d prefer to inject 3ml of test 250mg/ml than 1ml of test 500mg/ml.
Sometimes getting more for your money isn’t necessary a better thing.
Yeah I am on the same boat now. More bang for the buck is not always the best.
Live and earn bro!
thx for the advice.
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Test E 500mg/mL
500mg/ml is advanced gear and causing the PIP. Post Injection Pain. Stick to standard strength gear.
For now though...hot pack the area as bloodflow will help.
Too concentrated? The pain and immobility has subsided, just the two lumps that look like muscle. Will that go away or did I permanently damage those muscles?
Thanks for information!
BTW edited that, thanks for the assist, thought I had gotten all of them.
Rustyhooker500mg is double the standard 250mg. So that excess in testosterone needs extra solvent to keep it in suspension. The result is added pip. The lumps should go away but a good hot pad helps. Are you rotating several locations? I wouldnt pin any sore area
I have stopped pinning for now and am awaiting some Test C 250 from UGF. I wish I would have known about the hot pads, I sleep in a room that holds temp at 55* and the rest of the house is 60*, might have caused the extreme stiffness. Admittedly I have only been rotating arms, I am adding in VG once I get the gear. Hell no, that type of pain the pin prick would have set it off.
PcushionYep