posted Thu, 02/28/2013 - 03:48
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+ 1 Liver PAIN!!!!!!
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So im about 16 days into a TestE250 and tbol cycle and my liver has really started hurting(for the first time in my 26yrs of life)..i have taken milk thistle everyday except the 1st 2 days of the cycle...im going to stop the tbol for awhile? this shit hurts, i thought it might just be gas or something but it hasnt gone away since Sunday!!! hurts like hell to the touch and aches..any ideas on what i could do to stop the pain and keep on the tbol??? I am atleast going to lay off for a few days till the inflamation goes down...thanks for any advice... CB
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Jacked-ZackOK so I've been on my first oral cycle with Test E 275 twice a week and 40mg T-bol every day for 17 days now. I worked out really hard yesterday and I woke up today and my back was hurting on the right side under my shoulder blade. I rolled over and took my T-bol and 30 minutes later the pain was so bad I couldn't walk/stand/sit do anything. Pain was EXCRUCIATING! I have NO OTHER LIVER RELATED SYMPTOMS! I take Tudca every day. Any ideas? I'm scared to finish the cycle!
Liver or kidney?
what color is your piss (it should not be dark)
Stop taking the orals.
Hydrate
Get yourself to the ER
Jacked-ZackMy piss is completely normal. Now that 12 or so hours have passed since it really started, the pain is only about 10% of what it originally was. If it's not completely better tomorrow then I will go to an urgent care. It's also possible that it could be some kind of pulled muscle or something underneath my lower right trapezius muscle.
its the tbol, also was in pain when pieing, lowerback pump etc, they say its a mild oral, but i doubt it.. i got it the pain in week 4-5, then i stopped the cycle.
Left upper quadrant pain, if its up under the ribcage, is almost always the liver because it takes up the majority of that space. The pain is a sign that you are working your liver too hard. You can mask the pain, which will lead to liver failure, and someone whose test levels come back as high as yours will not be placed high on a transplant list. Stop all orals, no alcohol, reduce fatty foods, absolutely NO acetaminophen (or painkillers which contain APAP). You can increase your milk thistle (there really arent side effects from milk thistle in massive doses) and if you notice any yellowing of the sclera in you eye or any orange/tan look to your skin, go to a your doctor.
cbogan1i STOPPED the tbol about a week ago and the pain has gone away completely, thanks guys!!!
Stop the Tbol look at this link and see if you have any of the symptoms listed. Sounds like Cholestasis. Pain in right up quadreant under the rib cage. Can be mistaken for indigestion. Pain will intensify 3-5 hrs after eating something fatty. Which then causes a stabbing type pain. All other times it's more like a dull ache. When we use Liver protection its not to protect the liver per say but to help with the flow of bile which because of the increase In cholesterol from steroid use will harden and cause gallstones or a fine substance that looks like sand. How do I know this. I had it before and and no longer have a gallbadder. Use to get what your describing on D-bol.Cholestasis is any condition in which the flow of bile from the liver is slowed or blocked.
The underlying cause of cholestasis must be treated. Blood tests may show that you have too much bilirubin and alkaline phosphatase. Imaging tests are used to diagnose this condition.MRI of the abdomen,CT scan of the abdomen,Ultrasound of the abdomen In a nut shell sounds like an inflamed gallbladder.
Liv52 has cholesterol-regulating action. Clinically, it helps maintain healthy levels of serum cholesterol, lipoproteins, phospholipids and triglycerides.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001263/
May sound stupid,but have you taken Peptobismol or Tum's it might be irritation somewhere in the stomach....
Many people get confused about Liver location,since part of it is over the stomach. Do you take the Dbol with your foods? And how's your diet? In my case my liver suffer more from greasy foods and bad diets and alcohol than Dbol itself.
breakingface"In my case my liver suffer more from greasy foods and bad diets and alcohol than Dbol itself."- That's a good point. Yet another reason to quit drinking and eat clean.
Go to the doc and get a liver sling. Just kidding:)
Any type of liver support, Cycle Assist, etc should be pre-loaded by taking at least two weeks before your plan on taking any orals so it has time to build up in your system and provide a buffer. Never heard of anyone's liver hurting, not even from guys taking PH's which are way more toxic than Tbol. How much Tbol were you taking??
Keep an eye on that man! I would be at the docs office if it is hurting when you touch it!
cbogan1Like 50-75mgs a day...Im not going to take it for a few days to see if this subsides.
The liver doesn't have any pain receptors, so it is in your head. If the area feels hard to press against, with your hand, compared to the other side this can be an indicator of a problem. If the area is hard to press, you will need to see a doctor.
The organ that would be hurting is your gallbladder, which again is likely not the problem. It is probably related to your intestines.
AnonThe liver itself doesn't, however the capsule that houses the liver can cause discomfort and a dull-ache 'pain' when it's stretched. Enlarged liver, enlarged fatty liver, etc.
Sounds like cholestasis or gall bladder related. Beating your liver up doesn't make it 'hurt' unless it's enlarged.
cbogan1Its not hard, just pretty sensitive compared to the other side. ill give it another week or so and if it still hurts or hardens up before i would seek medical assistance.. its not really that bad just a bit nerve rattling because this is my first time taking roids.
So i should prolly tell all my friends to shut the fuck up when their drinking and say "my livers gonna hate me tomorrow'" LOL!!!!!
Thanks for the knowledge
Lol yep, I always crack a smile when someone goes into detail about their liver hurting. I wouldn't come off the tbol at all, if you can help it. It takes four weeks to start and a few days off can ruin it all. The milk thistle is a good start. The Liv52 will be a nice addition. I personally use Liv52, Vital Labs Protex on Cycle Support, and I feel fish oil is a damn must. Lots of people I know don't rock the fish oil like they should.
cbogan1Roger that! So If I were to see a doc I should tell them Im taking anabolic steroids? there is confidentiality laws out there to protect me from criminal punishment?
Yeah there is HIPPA but it doesn't stop your insurance knowing. You would let them do their thing and if your values are not normal they will ask if you drink and so forth. You will say you experiemented with a prohormone, which is legal. This way if you have an issue now and in the future it will be covered by your insurance, unlike if you said it was AAS. Then they could tie strokes, heart attacks basically anything to AAS and deny you treatment. If you go in, which I think you should wait a bit, to ensure it isn't bad gas - the tbol can inflame your intestines a bit. The intestines are so sensitive to this inflammation, and when stool passes the inflamation, it will cause the pain you are describing.
cbogan1BC its right under the right side of my upper rib cage...thats where your liver is? no i have never had liver issues in my life...ok so I am going to vitamin shoppe now to get some of the Liv-52. Should I wait a few days until the pain goes away and I have let the Liv build up a little? Thanks man!!
How do you know it's your liver that hurts? Have you had liver issues before? And milk thistle alone is not enough to assist the liver with an oral steroid. You need a good liver protectant like Liv-52 or Essential forte n.