+ 1 How's my bulk cycle - Trying to bulk while staying lean, not bloated or fater.
Hello,
As explained in the title, I'm looking to run specific strong bulk cycle to build a good amount of mass while staying lean ( No bloat and/or > big amount of fat )
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750 Deca ( Apparently it's the best pure mass gainer, if your main goal is bulking, no cosmetic, no strength, only lean mass building, but it comes with bloat )
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750 EQ ( It makes you starving, which is what i'm looking into a bulk, also EQ will give me a mild dry look with enormous veins, pump and cardio )
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300 Tren ( The one that should entirely blow the water of Deca out of my body, and which allows me to put on less fat than I should, I can even finish my bulk leaner )
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500 Test ( It's a base, why 500? Because on me it works just perfectly with 750 EQ, so I don't need an AI )
To resume :
Looking : Deca will bloat me, but Tren will blow the water off my body, EQ will make it even more cosmetic with the pump/veins and a mild dry look. Tren with a perfect nutrient partitioning should makes me put way less on fat than usual.
Bulk : Deca is my main builder, apparently one of the best one for pure lean tissue, but all of them together will build a copious amount of mass, and EQ will makes me hungry, so it helps.
am I right?
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You're right. I'm seeing this trend more and more with newbies or even some guys in general just blasting gear to the moon! I guess they figure it's affordable and of good quality so then they can just blast away huh? Just my guess. And Lundgren I'm not judging you but I just keep thinking about those ole school 70's bodybuilders. Now either they all lied about their dosages or they were telling the truth. It's just hard for me to believe most of those guys back then were using grams and grams of gear. No way. They worked their asses off, their diet was good and they looked good. They looked alot better than some bodybuilders nowadays for sure.
Edit..that's all with moderate dosages, nothing crazy.
Hello @DeeMan , i think the gold area in bodybuilding and nowday are not the same things (i don't talk about new compound) but the mentality in general.
For exemple today some poeple judge a quality of cycle with dosage, use lot compound and at incredible dose.
I think in the past the first thing are the quality of the stuff, and the body during this periode are like " he didn't expect the product to work for them, but they worked for the product"
Do you read the interview with Dorian Yates, Kevin Levron and another body pro (i think Ray but not sure) ?
Dorian sayed " i used for my prep 750mg test / week and when i used trenbolone dosed at around 72mg /ml he's used max 3 amps / week (and if my memorie are well that's pharma grade from France)
Dorian sayed " Trenbolone are not joke .... i never used more than 3 amps, it's powerful, nowday some amator take 500 to 1G of trenbo / week.
If my memorie are well he's used Boldenone too and some GH ( i don't remember the dosage it's like 6/8 ui's daily )
In resume, i think we live in a society where we want to have everything and very quickly (without worrying about health problems)
I think the number of bodybuilder deaths proves we are going down the wrong path.
But it's the life, steroid / peptides are used like candy, lot people think " it's the magic pills or injection"
I hope @LeMadalaMamaPrec435 he will change his mentality/mind
That's funny because we talk about '" lean gain without bloat " but i realized that he really didn't talk about his diet at all, and to be honest if the diet are good the Deca don't give a ton of water (like Oxymetholone) i used 200mg for 10 weeks and with proper diet and train it's a wonderful mix of water / fiber.
Have good day my friend and thanks for your kindness and lovely advice !
God bless you (^_^)
Gotta love that golden era. At least I do. Take care man.
His main focus should be on diet and workout more so than these copy cat sky high dosages of gear. And I personally can back up what I say because I don't mess around with all the high dosage crap, I'd be a hypocrite if I did. Gear only helps so much. Hell he could use several grams of good A-1 Pharmaceutical gear and still look like nothing if his diet and workouts aren't on point.
Amen to that's my friend !!!!
To be frank when i see certain messages my heart is torn / broken.
I think a lot more and more bodybuilder / fitness athlete will die (among amator as pro)
I'm glad to know you, it's very rare nowday to meet people with the same mentality as you.
Like i said in the previous message : GOD BLESS YOU MY FRIE AND YOUR DEAR / FAMILY !!
I hate to keep saying this and I'm sure members are tired of hearing it but it hits differently when you see it up close and personal. I had a buddy of mine years ago who was reckless with gear as a youngster. I mean this guy thought he was invincible! Well long story short, it didn't turn out well for him. All I'll say.
Same blessing to you and your family.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435You're right. I will suppress trenbolone and EQ from my cycle, and probably replace them with GH (I doesn't know if GH is really worth it for faster mass building, due to the cost).
edit : I've decided to run 500 Deca + 500 Test for 30 weeks, instead of the cycle i've sent for 20 weeks. Imo, cost less, less health risks, and more gains.
30 weeks on a 19nor at that dose? Scarface must be your favorite movie. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Olgn9sXNdl0
There are sources on here where you can get kits under $140 for 100 iu. Please consider that over your 30 week Deca cycle.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Bro if I listen to peoples advice here i'll finish at 200 test + 200 deca for 8 weeks, I already have lowered a lot the dosages, and removed a few compounds,.
Tell me in what way 10 more weeks would harm me if i'm handling all the sides, plus keeping a normal BP?
If you have good quality gear, eat, train and rest well 250mg Test + 200mg Deca are a lot suffisant for your stat and goal.
Maybe a little compound with it for helping the side effect from the Deca, but not more.
Quality food are very expensive here, i think it's the same for you, invest for quality food and eat well every day.
If your respect the protocol you have for sure amazing results for your second cycle and it's a lot better for your health (body and mind)
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Hello, if I didn't choose Masteron it's because I could read that it will hypertrophy your prostate. And it looks like Tren were giving a better cosmetic look, a better mass build, and a way better nutrient partitioning, so I decided to take it instead.
It was also blowing out all the water of Deca. But my first worry was that I wouldn't really eat on Tren, so I decided to add a good EQ dose to counter the effect.
A good Test with a good EQ have a good synergy if your diet are right no need tren.
or Nandrolone D + PP with test and some Proviron are a lot better too for second cycle.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Alright, what if I keep the cycle :
750 Deca + 750 EQ + 500 Test but replace the 300 tren with 100 Winny (instead of proviron) for the dry look? But injections, not oral.
That’s a lot of deca.
My opinion are this combo are to much ...
With only test and little extra like EQ are a lot suffisant if your afraid of bloat.
If your diet are right and train like warrior it's a lot suffisant for your stat.
Your write a cycle of body pro with lot year of experience.
I think you need to change your mind, and i hope your understand what i mean....
Are you going into a need to be cosmetic state?
If you are I get it, if not, a few months could save your body a lot of wear and tear..
LeMadalaMamaPrec435I doesn't need to be in a cosmetic state, that's why I will finally avoid Tren/EQ, and won't take any diuretics like someone on stage would be. But, honestly, who doesn't give a fuck to look puffy and fat as fuck? I want to be dry, with veins a year round, it's my goal.
By the way, my TDEE is around ( 3200 ) and I'm eating between 3800 & 4200 everyday, it's quite a big surplus which will makes me put on fat, and adding Deca to it and my look is gone. Anyway to avoid that?
LeMadalaMamaPrec435You're right. And, what do you think of the choice of the compounds, for this specific goal?
I remember you. This is your second cycle right? If so then this is way too much.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Please, don't remember me. I've run all the steroids I've listed, but not stacked all together.
You run all the compounds separately? But this is your second cycle. Just saying
LeMadalaMamaPrec435I'm currently running my second cycle, now I'm running EQ, and last cycle I've run Tren, not saying I've run all of them separately, just saying i've never run all of them at once, but separated in two cycles.
Can you reply to my post without taking in care of my experience and the dosages, but more the efficiency of the stack, and choice of drugs for my goal?
That's alot of nor 19 steroids, tren and deca require. A anti prolactin, caber,etc
I personally wouldn't run them together, buT that's me, good luck eating on tren 2, kills mine
And you will need a a.i even on 500 MG test when u add the tren, , I personally just stopped tren and it's been one my favorite, eq?. Gotta run that stuff like 16 weeks to really see effect, great as it is. Just takes awhile,. Never ran deca personally so I can't comment on that,
LeMadalaMamaPrec435I already have caber at home, everything ready. EQ mitigate the Tren curbs hunger (Anecdotally, i've never run both at same time).
Will run it for 20 weeks, and for the AI I have some at home, and will take for sure if needed, thanks for letting me know it.