High test, Low tren? High tren low test?
Now before we start this discussion understand I'm not new to the gear world and have had a few cycles under my belt. I understand I'm a bit younger then most around here but I also have a lot goals in the bodybuilding world that I am reaching for. I Graduated in the medical field and have been doing many studies. The reason I have a few questions is because there is almost 0 research / medial studies on tren. So absolutely zero (credible) studies on tren and test together. I've heard many people say high tren low test to cut and high test low tren to build muscle mass. Now what exactly is the science behind this and why? Any usage from you guys? And how'd it effect you? Experience running similar cycles?
Current cycle (week 3)
Test e 900mgs a week
Tren e 500mgs a week
Weeks 1-4 50mg a50 ed
Weeks 5-12 25mg provion ed
Post cycle clomid 100mg ed tapperd down 25mg every week.
Food intake
-4937 cals a day whole foods
-1300 cals in shakes/other liquids
40% protein 40% carbs 20% fats
5'7" 217 10-11% bf
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nos88go change your stats so they stop harassing you to 24 lol
apparently they changed it from 21 to 23 and these little new powertripping mods are on the hunt
Nah!.......... these old powertripping MODS are far worse............ mind the door on your way out :/
Any reason why I shouldn't take the phrase "little new power tripping mods" offensively?
Lol guys a joke mate... I think all the mods do a cracking job around here...
Dude is a troll he's constantly starting fights. He just bout got banned yesterday on a source page. He said he's had some many accounts and always gets banned.
Catalyst I understand the rules so no disrespect. But do you know any pros that waited tell the were 25 to pin nobody did. And if they had a site like this to help them maybe there wouldn't be so many of them with problems now. I'm just saying there should be exceptions to the rule. People are going to do whatever the want with or without this site. I for one would respect and enjoy needed advice on compounds such as tren where there is no info out there. People can choose to listen or not that should be on them. Just an opinion
Your eloquent response raises interesting topics we've discussed at length before many times with the end result being we stayed with the 25 rule. To respond to what you said, part if the problem is you have to draw the line somewhere, and from an endocrine perspective, 24 or 25 is the typical age where you become fully developed. With regards to exceptions to the rule how do we decide who is and who isn't? You're 23 , what about a 21yr old, what about a 17yr old? Arnie was running gear in his mid teens, so does that make it ok if someone is an "exception"? You see what I mean? As a large community, you have to draw a single line.
From a "responsible" perspective, I believe 100% what we do is the right thing to do. I also realise that makes us different to other forums. You can gather an awful lot of information here just by reading. When it comes to direct cycle advice in the open forum, it won't be happening at your age I'm afraid.
I guess brotha I'll just have wait! Thank you tho for being cool about it!
Shit should've just lied at this point haha
Its 25...and this guy has a really good base...the rules are there for reasons bro...1. It prevents other young guys from copying him. 2. Even by his own admission hes taking his health and possibly his reproductive health into his own hands at this age 3. Eroids is safety first...these young guys can go elsewhere for the general safety of the community the rule is 25...for cycle advice
Well young people are dumb I understand so they will cycle with or without help from this site. I prefer help of course. But I'm not worried about a few things I already have a kid and am fixed. Guys who want to copy me need to understand I've been lifting very seriously since I was 16ish and have cycle multiple times.
I respect a lot of what you have to say...but jeep in mind by sexual health I also mean having a willy that won't work half right/stay hard and also as other have mentioned pinning for life...I'm not here to talk you out of anything just food for thought...I cycled while my body was still developing amd after I stopped for a few yrs I went from being able to screw a pile of bricks into sand...to not being able salute without my solider flopping over like a drunk guy...will the same happen to you...maybe not...but had I been more careful it wouldve never happened
nos88High tren low test to prevent side effects.... tren is very versatile and can be used to bulk, recomp or cut.
Some people will run super high test 4:1 to tren for primarily bulking since most would not run dosages of tren upward of a gram a week...
I guess you didn't get that he's 23
nos88No fucks given better he get good advice then none.
You seem like a pretty smart guy, you know better..
He's 23, we don't give him cycle advice. That includes you.
So true were only as strong as our weakest members when it comes to the rules...also if you're cleaning up the forum tonight I apologize in advance for all my rude comments to that scammer/spammer he's just really rude
Dudes that's hardcore and your to young for any gear!!!
Yes to late of course. Like I stated I know more then the average guaranteed have my bloods done every 3-4 weeks on a cycle.
Well when the shit hits the fan with them long esters good luck
I have ran both of these compounds in the past bro. But thanks for the concern
To late he is already in week three
SMH
This post was for information brotha not biased opinions from people who have most likely never spent the last 4-1/2 years in anatomy and physiology classes. I'm interested in the science. And also the concerns but not the you're to young case which also could be true again tho almost 0 studies done ok long term use of aas most of it is speculation
I'm done
Dude your 23 eriods policy is no one can help u.
Shity o well I wanted to see if anyone had any info on the subject.
It's a safety first site. U been in the medical field u understand that your hormones aren't fully developed at your age and running compounds like tren can really have life altering consequences. Be safe and don't forget blood work and u really need to research pct. I can't stop u from cycling but I want u to fully recover if u do. U need Clomid and nova both taken daily for four weeks. Clomid 100,100,50,50 nova 40,40,20,20
Yes I understand brotha and respect that safety comes first. I put off using tren for awhile it can for sure mess up hormones for life. problem is there is almost zero evidence on humans because it's not for human use. If this was truly a safety concern the best way would be to talk to fellow gear users who have been down the tren road for awhile because that's about as close as I get to research haha so I mean if this site truly was about safety they would know that people probably are going to do dumb shit with or without help. I for one would appreciate information on these subjects and if the mods can't understand the age thing is a good idea in theory but there should be exceptions and I for one have done plenty of research before I ever touch aas but as my goals became more important the gear had to happen. But nobody wants to get the ban hammer around here. As for pct I actually am in the process of ordering nolva just didnt include it in my pct. that's the kinda shit tho that's needed from season aas users
In all honesty I've done so many stupid things myself in my life and at your age I thought I knew everything. The funny thing is I look back now and realize just how clueless I was. Just step back and reexamine your life goals do u have a family and wife. There is a chance if u keep goin and running extreme cycles. That if u meet the women of your dreams in ten years u may not be able to have a family. U have your whole life ahead of u young man and been a slave to the pin for the rest of your life is a real chance to u might never be able to recover. Be safe and I hope u just consider some of the life altering choices u are making at such a young age
Thank you brotha