posted Mon, 12/11/2017 - 08:14
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Equipoise worth the long cycle needed?
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Everywhere online I see people saying it only really starts being effective after 8 weeks or so, and you need to run it 16-18 for best results. The half-life kind of throws me off it cause of the long wait before it clears to start pct
So my question is, is it worth having to do such a long cycle? I’m a fan of short blasts myself, I always use prop as my base, then something like a mast prop with an oral kicker OR finsiher.
Debating on trying a longer ester for a bulk.
Stats 27 5’7 around 190ish give or take a few and I’m pretty lean right now I’d guess around 9% from past experiences and I’m going to keep cutting until New Years then go ham on some pizza.
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It is a misunderstanding that you need long cycles to reap rewards from EQ. It is also a lack of research into the damage the compound does that will lead people to run it across longer durations.
27.... 190lbs.... jesus! Skinny Mini!!! Fan of short blasts (but achieving what?!)......
Aeriously fella.... go to the butcher, load up on various protein sources. Get yourself a load of spuds, quinoa, couscous, load up on green cruciferous veg. Get loadsa healthy fats like nuts and avacados etc etc.
Learn to eat fella. After that, learn to research. Then learn to cycle. Cut till NYs?.... gonna be what 180lbs????? Wafer thin and no business bulking with deca, particularly goven the heptox nature of it and damage to bloods/lipids it does.... setting yourself up for serious damage that way after such a cut.
I’m 5’7 at a push, so let’s say 5’6 - 190 isn’t ‘skinny mini’ at this height and this bodyfat my friend. Heaviest I’ve ever been was 221, I usually float around 195-200 staying comfortably lean.
I’ve been slowly cutting since October too after getting to 221 during summer - never said I was only starting the cut now to lose 10 lbs. Never mentioned using deca either so I’ve no idea why you mentioned that!
I’ve done plenty of research, I just have no EXPERIENCE with it hence why I was asking for the helpful users of eroids to inform me if they thought it’s worth the long cycle as many report it only takes effect after 8 weeks and is needed for 16-20 to get the most out of the very long ester. I’m well aware of the anxiety, RBC and blood thickening sides too, you jumped to a few conclusions there mate.
No pal... i didnt jump to any conclusions... maybe you should volounteer more info yeah?.... considering you want thoughts/advice or what have you? But nope no conclusions just observations and serious advice primarily based on the health implications of what you are planning... as well as a sprinkle of opinion.
I guess we will disagree on the skinny mini... 190lbs... 180.... to me thats a boys weight. 221... now youre talking. But, regardless, i am sure you look fantastic in terms of aesthetics or what have you, hell you might look wide as a bus for someone that height... and thats great, good for you fella. So thats just a difference of opinion.
Now.... 221 to 180lbs... over circa 5 months, by the info in your posts... 41 lbs... Are you familiar with what fat/lbm loss does to the body in terms of free radicals and oxidative stress? What it can do to the organs etc (in general and regardless of supplementation)... and yes lipids bloods etc too....?? 41 lbs across 12 months is a slow steady cut, regardless of your opinions, not 4-6 months.
(Deca... typo, meant Bold! I have deca on the brain and 14% bodyfat fingers all swole up on growth, but a typo nonetheless).
Ok so... we have discussed the stress dieting has on the body... then back to my previous point on Bold....
So you cut... do damage / look great... then you bulk do more damage / look greater.... and so on.
So buddy, you cannot have done any real research. People may think getting opinions from brosef online, about cookie cutter cycles/durations etc is research... its not, it really isnt ya know.
Now you seem like you took offence at what i said instead of focussing on the important things... tell me to foxtrot oscar if you like, wouldnt blame ya if ya did.... but if you dont pay attention to health advice and focus on brosef eq cycle duration advice... well, then you will hurt that body you think is so heavy and big. Thatd be the real shame. I would suggest you park your ego and focus on the salient points fella...
221 was a typo also, 211 was my weight. I train for physique shows so again, 190-/+ isn’t skinny for my goals. Also I don’t know where you’re getting 180lb from, I never said I’d be at that weight if I lose two/three more pounds then be close to stage shape, plus I’ve got a holiday in the new year so I’ll be on the beach for 3 weeks - I wanna look good and give myself some breathing space from dieting which is why I’m continuing to diet slowly until then. The last time I was under 180 was when I competed in judo competitions at 179 and I dabbled in jiu jitsu at 174...well over a year ago.
Yeah man I’m well aware of free radicals, the stress dieting puts your body in and such like. I’m a physical therapist so I’ve got plenty of knowledge of how the body works, and how to prevent such problems that may arise - my girl is a nurse too which helps.
Calling someone a skinny mini might cause some people to take offence but I didn’t take offence and I don’t take offence to much. I’m only looking to expand my knowledge on different compounds from people who have experienced them and my friends who have used them to. Because what it says on paper isn’t always going to correlate with how it affects everyone - eq in this case with anxiety, and tren for example in another topic I started called calling all tren users - both affect people differently in many cases. And both topics were started for the sole purpose of learning from people who have been there and done that.
Eq is a great chemical and is worth the long run for me 16-20 weeks,lean keepable gains.vascularirty and strength I love the stuff
I’ll second the guys telling you not to dive into the really long esters yet. It sounds like you’ve only run short esters so a moderate “medium” ester cycle like bold cyp/test cyp should be plenty of “new” AAS for you to grow on. If you go that route don’t get crazy with the doseage your first time around as you don’t know how sensitive you are to the RBC boosting effects of boldenone. And get that checked out with bloodwork on cycle. If you start feeling high bp, flushing, abnormally tired those can be signs. Stay safe.
That’s another thing that’s concerned me, the thick ass blood side effect. I have two bottles of test cyp ready for new year, only gonna do 400mg a week but not sure what to add to it
The longer you run a cycle the greater chance of frying your HPTA. If I wasn't on TRT I probably wouldn't run an EQ cycle personally.
Try Bold Cyp then. 12 to 14 week run with a low dose test e. Two to three week post last pin run your PCT - simple.
I’ve been having some trouble finding bold cyp! I know it’s against rules to post sources here but could you pm me if you know which supplier here stocks it?
RustyhookerWhats your priors?
Cycle history
Sus 500mg wk and dbol 30mg ed 8 weeks (dbol 4 weeks)
Test prop alone 50mg eod (cut short after 3 weeks)
Test prop 100 eod and var 60mg 8 weeks, var 5 weeks
Test prop 50 ed mast prop 100mg ed and var 60mg 12 weeks and var 6 weeks
RustyhookerSays up top you like short blasts. Ever look at npp? 8 weeks with lots of pinning.
Call me crazy but the pinning has never bothered me...I was a pin cushion on my last cycle! Not sure I want to do an nandrolone, in quite estrogen sensitive so I’d fear the boost and dreaded prolactin sides even with caber and an ai
RustyhookerI hear ya!! Low test, primo :).
If only money grew on trees! That shit is pricey
RustyhookerSeriously!!
Theres quite a few non aromatizing ways to go. 6 weeks prop, var...tbol...4weeks winny if joints can handle it.
I’ve got test cyp and tbol on hand, might just go with those!
RustyhookerMakwa up top has a great forum on 1test cyp-dhb. It might be right up your alley. Click his avatar...forums
Thanks for that, that was a great read. Definitely going to do more reading on it but you’re right about it being right up alley!
RustyhookerIve been eyeing it for few years. Keep it simple and tear up the gym and dinner plates. Less stress and hassles
Been searching the last 2 hours and can’t find anywhere where it’s in stock, found one but the shipping is ridiculous for one vial
I like only like ham on my pizza if its paired with pineapple. Mmmm pizza.
There is no other way. Than pineapple and ham/ Canadian bacon. All about them pineapple gains
I dont trust guys like you! Putting fruit on a savoury pizza! The thought of it scares me lol
basskiller89Extra pepperoni & cheese with a diet sprite
O man! You guys are missing out! I also like sausage and broccoli together on pizza. And steak with fruit? Hell yea ! Some greens, steak, different berries mixed in with a vinegrete. Yum!
Pineapple on pizza is like steak in a fruit bowl...just no!
I love Hawaiian pizza ;) I like the rectangular chunks on mine & nothing like eating one down in Central America with a fresh pineapple fro the tree!! Now I’m starving!
RustyhookerYum!!!