posted Tue, 05/07/2013 - 13:47
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Got my eq and e gear ready to go. I started the eq last week and was gonna was a week to start the test e as eq takes tilime to kick in. I have run this cycle 2 times before. What happens if I don't run the test and just run the eq?
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I did start the eq early as I know it takes a few weeks to kick in. I was gonna start the test the first shot of next week. I was asking bout running it without the test. I have run this cycle twice before and I always bloat from the test, was trying to avoid that. This will be my fourth cycle. I'm 43. First cycle was with decades and test e. I know that test should be the base of all cycles but was curious if anyone ran eq by itself and if so, the pros and cons of it.
RustyhookerBloat? What ai are you using? Whats your eq dose? Whats your test dose? Whats your pct?
Dialing this in with blood test makes a nice cycle. Not running it proper of course causes issues
Use adex for the bloating. First 2 times with eq and e, doses were 400 eq and 600 e. Use nolva for pct. Never had problems with this cycle and I get good results. This time the eq will be 500 and test will be 600 (when I start it).
Where do you go to get the blood work done, without telling the doc why?
RustyhookerPrivatemedlabs.com the female hormone panel tests the same yet costs less. $59.
Eq cycle can be wetter or drier by manipulating testosterone. So you can do an easy 500/500 for good bulking or manipulate the gear. 400test/600eq. Eq converts at a lesser amount than test so there's less conversion and bloat. I like running it 600/600 til week 14 then lower test to 300. Lets the eq work its magic til Weeks 16 or 18 then run test e 2 Weeks past or switch to prop.
Finishers can be utilized as well if your more advanced. Lower bf can really let the final doses shine.
Blood test week 6 helps you see where estro levels are so you're in the "normal" range. Too low causes painful joints. A lil high typically causes some water retention....but very high can raise gyno risks.
Buildbigger86Rusty you and i are eq lovers as most know. I like to run my EQ cyp at like 900mg a week and like 500mg test cyp. When you get real good eq it cuts the water retention like crazy.Love it. And i can tell you that i get bloat in the face just from running high test cycle alone. But with eq it takes it all away. LOVE EQ
I'm 46, and I'm running EQ with no test. If you want to run it with no test, just run it with no test. It won't kill you. Just make sure you keep the test handy in case you have libido problems or just feel lousy. Some people have libido problems even when they run test with EQ. Some people get anxiety on EQ. Everyone responds differently. Some people bloat on any amount of test, and there are plenty of people who run EQ without test to avoid the bloat. Of course, you can always, and should always, run an ai with test. You can also throw in some Mast, Proviron, or Epistane to help with the bloat. I'm personally having no problems running EQ without test. I actually feel great, and I'm not all edgy. However, that also means I don't have that alpha male feeling that a lot of guys like.
Think I will try it foe a bit without the test, I do have it ready just in case though. I have adex ready also for the bloat, usually takes care of it. Thanx for all the input guys.
RustyhookerWhat do ypu mean? Starying eq early or no test at all?
Buildbigger86RUSTY, You'll see i said the same thing below. hopefully his next pin he at least will start both hopefully.
RustyhookerSaw your full reply....excellent. But some guys run eq 4 Weeks prior to test e start. So was adking if he was doing the old school delayed start or trying without it completely.
Buildbigger86Interesting to hear Rusty because i have had that thought in head for sometime about starting the eq Dolo for like 3-4 weeks and then starting test eth and using test prop for 2 weeks while i wait for eth to kick in.
I may try that in the future. You and are both huge EQ guys but of course the crown goes to you on the info because i have development a lot more of my knowledge on EQ because of you!
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RustyhookerIMO its much easier to switch to bold cyp, frontload eq, or simply be patient. But there's many ways to skin the cats. Lok
Buildbigger86Since i have began running eq Cyp i do not think i will ever use reg eq again. Well a can't say ever lol lets be serious but i only prefer running eq CYP espicially AN'S
Buildbigger86Run the eq and test together the whole time brother, also if you just ran eq alone it will stop your natural test production. People get very confused because they think that since eq does not convert to estrogen that they dont need to take anything. But once eq get's into blood it will stop your natural test production which will lead to a ton of problems. Fatigue, ed, tiredness, depression etc... test needs to be the base of every cycle in my opinion and i believe most other's opinion. Test is your building block/ foundation. Plus since eq takes at least 3 weeks to fully get into blood you wont see much results. EQ is very mild and a slow quality muscle building compound. The gains come much slower but strength increase is nice and the gains are SOLID muscle. The test with the eq will help you in so many ways with faster gains, more, energy etc...
If you want to discuss this more in depth please pm me and i will be happy to help you in anyway i can.
I've been on EQ since Feb, and haven't run a drop of test with it. I'm currently running 1 gram/wk each of EQ/Deca. I like the look, feel great, and my dick works great (I used it on my wife last night), so I don't know if running EQ without test will result in a "ton of problems". I don't disagree with your advice to run test with it, however. Also, I've never heard that EQ doesn't aromatize. My understanding is that it converts at 50% the rate of Test. I'm still running 12.5mg eod of aromasin with it anyway. On my next blood test, I'll see what's going on with that.
Rustyhookereq does aromatize. Correct. Id like to see your blood tests for sure. Deca at a gram without prolactin issues and no test?
Not advisable for folks here reading this
Prolactin only becomes an issue when estrogen is high. Also, some folks don't seem to get prolactin sides easily. I'm one of those. I've run Deca and Tren together, along with at trt dose of test and no ai, without issue. Got tested at the end of the run, and my prolactin was at 9, which is in the middle of normal range. However, you're right that most guys here that are just starting out should adhere to the "test as a base" protocol. With more experience, though, it's fun to experiment a bit, and put some of the bro-science to the test.
RustyhookerJust more proof on the power of blood testing.....and individual reaction.
Buildbigger86Well stated my man
Buildbigger86Thats nut's how is that possible to run a G of deca and test and have ed or anything. And you have without using viagra or anything is what your saying correct?
That's right. And I'm 46! There's no doubt that some guys have problems with different combos of AAS. It's such an individual thing. Of course, the only way to find out is to experiment. I realize the importance of test in a cycle, and once Summer is over, I'm going to jump back on a lot of test. However, the longer I'm off test, the more it seems to me that test seems to amplify the negative side effects of other AAS, at least for me.
Buildbigger86Couldn't agree with you more but are you on TRT now?
No trt. I've just decided to blast and cruise. Up until Feb, when I dropped Test completely, I was running a trt dose with higher dosages of AAS, just to try out the low test protocol. Then after reading on other forums that some guys run no-test cycles successfully, I decided to give it a shot, and see for myself. So far it's great. But we'll see in the coming months if I still feel like that!
Buildbigger86Very interesting.. Please keep my posted on your cycle. You have me so intrigued and interested. and that fact that your run a G of deca has my mind blown. So interesting.. Plus 1
Buildbigger86I knew that i COULD aromatize but it rare, from my knowledge it is more how your estrogen levels are already in your body.. RUST, please fill me if i am incorrect on that.
RustyhookerHe nailed the aromatization rate ;)
Buildbigger86Yes he did. Also when on TRT though would that count as running test somewhat? I have just began to start reading about TRT being i am 26 and i do not need it at this point in my life.
Buildbigger86EQ aromatize's??? Extremely mild then i am assuming then.
WithdrawlX2. Very well put.