posted Sat, 02/27/2016 - 09:54
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Ok so I'm still trucking away with law school and my ADD definitely has made the process a lot harder. I was prescribed dextroamphetamine about 4 months ago and have not cycled since then. However, after a long winter eating donuts and ice cream and not working out I'm looking pretty damn puffy. I want to start another tren cycle. Last time I ran tren the only sides I really got were acne and slightly elevated blood pressure. I was wondering if dextroamphetamine and tren would be a safe combo or if I should hold off on taking dextroamphetamine??
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I offset all the negative karma in this thread. We're all perfectly capable of discussing this without getting too butt hurt. Steve is doing a good job trolling as well.
Thanks man, appreciate it!
StevebI did not neg this post
I didn't say you did, Steve. I don't know who initiated any of the negs. I simply up voted any post within this thread that was down voted. I understand what you have said in regards to a singular, conclusive test. Your point has been made as far as I'm concerned. I enjoy this topic. I just don't want people to be deterred from postings because of negative karma.
StevebHow so?
So because you felt your self puffy you want to start tren ? You skipped the diet and back to training and skipped also controlling yourself and watching you food and jump direct to tren . And you are puffy . Nice thought man . It's not about steroids in your case or anyone case it's a diet . You had nice experince with tren yes ok . But you are not train your body and bf high now and start tren . So make it primo and winny then )))))))).
Watch your food back to gym and start your diet that's it .
Man everyone on here instantly jumps to you skipped diet just because I didn't outline my meal plan and training regimen. I have used Tren in the past and I enjoy it. I don't suffer from the sides that most people get and I don't mind sticking my self ED (I don't prefer it just don't mind it either). But no I'm going to steer clear of AAS all together I think until summer when I have no more classes. I have one year of this hell left... I honestly don't really care if I lose a lot of muscle cutting, I can get it back next year. I'm only 31 so I still have a little time left lol.
Dude congrats on law school! Tren is pretty toxic imo and unless you're competing in a bb comp., the amphs ought to be a good enough tool to cut down. It's all diet, what about cutting out the bs?
I've found amphs to go particularly well with gh personally. The gh allows the deep deep sleep I was unable to get on the amphs and never really got recharged (I'm sure you've noticed the effectiveness of your amphs highly depend on how rested you are and how well you're hydrated/nourished.
Thank you! Yeah I do not plan on ever entering into a competition and from what I have read on here so far, I will be staying away from Tren again until this summer. Never used GH and honestly don't know anything about it... Again you're correct with no sleep they do nothing for me and I'm just as worthless without them lol.
StevebADD is a joke man. Prescribing harsh medicine to cure boredom. Sorry but it's not worth taking that stuff to cure something that doesn't exist.
How can you make such a blanket statement without having walked a mile in someones shoes? Have you written articles to disprove ADD? are you a licensed pyscotherapist or something along those lines and can speak of the nonexistance of ADD as it pertains to science, in your own words and not from someone else's words?
StevebEasily. Psychiatry and the DSM are a joke. They are mainly based on opinions and there is no test for a chemical imbalance. According to them everyone has a disorder. A teacher can recommend your kid take meds because he is bored and doesn't pay attention in school. Getting a doctor to give you or your kid ADD meds is no problem. A lot of people have problems paying attention but taking those drugs that cause more harm is not something you should try first. A person with a shitty diet will have a lot of problems focusing but they wont recommend a diet change before meds.
It's all theoretical, everything in the DSM is a theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJ1BaMk
So..then, you , yourself can prove ADD has no basis in anything. So it all comes down to diet? Do you have some data to back this up? You can prove that ADD does not exist? Sounds pretty ignorant and close minded. Try really looking in the human condition on your own, and not what some youtuber posts.
StevebIt is not just some youtuber. The "Doctors" that put together the DSM admit it is all theoretical what the fuck do you want me to prove? Do you want me to prove their theory for them even though they can't? Do you want to keep going in circles? It's like if an author tells you his book is fiction are you going to think it's fact.
Diet, heavy metals are all known to cause those problems. Give someone a shitty diet or expose them to heavy metals and yes it's going to affect their concentration.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10472714
Exactly..they cannot prove anything, just as you cant by interpreting someone else's words. They are going in circles. What is your area of medical expertise? That is what the fuck i want you to prove to me. You believe a so called non fiction article as fact with no facts to really back it up.
The article you link is from 1999.... there has been tons of studies done and it is a normally accepted disability. Check out http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=attention+deficit+hyperactivity... that will provide a link to more recent studies. Then you can make an educated argument for your position.
StevebI have made an educated argument. There is nothing physical to prove it, it's based off observations and opinions, and it's something that anyone can be diagnosed it.
Your basis your opinion off an outdated study. "Motor system excitability can be tested by transcranial magnetic stimulation CFMS). In this article, an overview of recent methodological developments and research findings related to attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is provided. Different TMS parameters that reflect the function of interneurons in the motor cortex may represent neurophysiological markers of inhibition in ADHD, particularly the so-called intracortical inhibition." Z Kinder Jugendpsychiatr Psychother. 2014. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25335520
That and the fact that is recognized by the scientific community as shown by the amount of reports and studies conducted on NCBI... But please enlighten me with your years of medical research....
StevebYeah it's still a theory but now it is a stronger theory. I read this before, it is nothing new. There is still no test for it and if there is or was people on ADD meds are NOT getting any blood work done or scan to prove some kind of chemical imbalance or whatever. They are prescribed on recommendations based off opinions of a theory.
Try reading a study on the long term use of ADD meds and it is not a theory of the damage they cause.
Ok so under that same notion Autism isn't real? Schizophrenia? Bi-polar? Any other mental illness? So in your examples none of those other disabilities exist correct? They can all be fixed with a proper diet and a cure for boredom?
StevebThere is evidence to prove those. Autism through leaky gut disorders that have been treated with diet. People have won court cases because their child became autistic because of a medication. It is something that can be proven .Schizophrenics have been shown to have higher levels of heavy metals in their blood. Aluminum has been linked to dementia. Some of those existed way before the DSM was ever written.
The study that was done said people who were Autistic were more likely to suffer from gastrointestinal problems such as inflammatory bowel disease. There is no correlation to testing someone for GI problems and Autism. "Diagnosing autism spectrum disorder (ASD) can be difficult, since there is no medical test, like a blood test, to diagnose the disorders. Doctors look at the child’s behavior and development to make a diagnosis." http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/screening.html
Also you're talking about high levels of metal in their blood again.... I could have sworn you said this was a possible cause for ADHD earlier.... "Diet, heavy metals are all known to cause those problems. Give someone a shitty diet or expose them to heavy metals and yes it's going to affect their concentration." oh damn that's right you did.
You have no evidence that ADD/ADHD doesn't exist other than your own interpretation contrary to the scientific community...
He is just trolling. With no real knowledge at all. He should go back to giving away the ends of movies and fight results. I wonder how he would do volunteering in a real mental hospitol. Probably just change the patients diets as a cure for the mental folks.
StevebEverything I said was true, ask your psychiatrist.
Yeah the whole logic behind his reasoning would pretty much debunk the entire psychology field.....
StevebNo not psychology but psychiatric. Psychiatrists wrote the DSM.
I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult. As a child, I had horrible grades, suspensions and expulsions. Ever since treatment, I have been succeeding in life. I have had six promotions in five years. I understand it is speed but the reward for me is too great.
StevebThat's why I said this earlier. Those meds should not be a first resort.
I'm not offended by any means. I was just sharing my personal experience. It just so happens your post was the best place to put it.
Same here man... I was kicked out and didn't have the grades to graduate high school. My father found a loop hole in California where I could take the GED and get enough high school credits to graduate. I went took the test without studying and passed got my high school diploma. Now fast forward to law school, constant C student. Got put on meds first test I took after I got a B+ (out of 40 people there were 2 A-'s and 3 B+'s given on that exam). To say they have no benefit would be absurd I reap a benefit everyday.
Negative, ignorant, and passive aggressive because you put a sorry in there. Good job.
I disagree, my focus on and off of meds is entirely different. Personally it takes a lot of stimulus to get me to focus on anything. my mind is constantly in a 100 places at once. Since I started the meds my grades and performance in school as increased drastically.
StevebI understand it helps people study and keep their mind on a task. But the long term effects to the brain are not worth it. I know ADD in children can be treated with diet change.
Not to mention studies have shown time and time again that there is a direct correlation between amphs and increased performance, income, etc.
You're the one in law school not some dumb fuck making smart remarks and innuendos. I don't see him taking your exams.
My problem with amphs is that they're so easy to abuse--then my diet goes, then sleep suffers. For me amphs also encourage drinking for me which neither are really conducive to a bb lifestyle.
StevebStudies have shown huh? What type of test do they use to diagnose ADD?
I'd be glad to help you and answer whatever questions you'd like Steve-O--after you apologize to the op. Dude came on here for advice and you said his ailment was a joke, add meds were for boredom, and add was non existent. This is the type of negativity and disrespect that brings down the integrity of the boards. I can certainly appreciate a disagreement but at outright attack...online...pretty weak bro.
StevebThere is no test for ADD and there is no way to prove it is real, so you can't answer that. If you can answer that you would be the first person ever to do it.
I'm sorry you are so sensitive
Yes read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, ADD is because of boredom. Obviously if you're not bored you will be paying attention.
ADD medication is similar to Methamphetamine and long term use has been shown to negatively affect the brain in children and adults. So yeah I disagree with it's use. It may help some people study but in the long run it's not worth it. And ADD is more diet related than anything.
The DIagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders lists the diagnostic criteria for ADHD. Additionally, an fMRI can identify brain patterns associated with ADHD.
StevebThere is no test for ADD and almost every disorder in the DSM.
Under the same logic you have no way to prove it's not real... There has been contradicting scientific studies showing both arguments. One of the studies which I'm sure you got most of your information from, came to the conclusion that all of the patients suffered from some other underlying aliment. Basically trading ADD for some other clinical disease, like OCD, downsyndrom, etc... You keep saying it's because of boredom, however other psychologists have suggested the boredom is a result of ADD. Which I would definitely agree with. My grammar and spelling has been horrible my entire life..... yet I could write in C# when I was 13, riddle me that? It takes a ton of stimulus to get me to focus on anything; computers, video games, the army, were all things I really excelled in because of the fast pace. Regardless if ADD medicine has some long term detrimental effects were arguing over future health concerns on a board focused primarily on AAS.... we cannot be the most health conscious people anyways....
Wait, "has been shown?"
Do you have firsthand experience with add meds or methamphetamine?
StevebYes but I mainly smoke crack. I can't take you seriously anymore, enjoy having a smaller brain with your meds.
Cool story bro. Talking out of your ass like I figured. Way to contribute.
PEZ is dead on about the BP. However, 30 mg Adderall is by far my favorite PWO and yes, during a heavy tren cycle as well. My blood pressure is held in check by an Rx beta blocker Metaprolol 50 mg and I do not present with any hypertension.
Unmanaged high BP is one of the potentially most serious side effects of steroid use in athletes that respond that way to anabolics. Long term hypertension will destroy the kidneys. Get yourself a high quality digital BP monitor from your pharmacy and leave it somewhere where it is easily used. Mine is on the kitchen table. On cycle, particularly with compounds known to jack BP, check it a couple of times a day. Don't let it get out of control. Either stop the cycle or get some BP pills from your doc to bring it down. I am not a fan of homeopathic remedies for steroid induced hypertension, they just don't tend to be strong enough to deal with the problem.
If religious self monitoring of your BP and perhaps a script from the doc is more than you are into, then, of course, just wait until finals are over.
I have a BP monitor I got from the VA and I'm sure I can get them to give me BP meds. But from the sounds of it the risk vs reward is not high enough.... I'll just push it out a few more months thanks for the reply though I appreciate it.
That's a recipe for scary BP. I've been there. Doctor told me he should call an ambulance when he took it. I talked him out of it.
Jesus.... ok well cardio and cutting then tren free until after finals lol.
TippenthescaleHold off. Tren puts a lot of strain on the heart and add some speed to it and its doubled.
Damn ok thanks man I'll wait until after finals and stop the speed then start the tren up again. Would just a pure test cycle be ok? I just don't want to cut hard without anything holding on to my muscle.
Test can still increase BP as well. It would be safer probably to just wait and get off the speed first.