posted Fri, 04/20/2012 - 06:42
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Dbol on its own without test base?
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I read somewhere that doing Dbol by it self is bad and that you need a base of test to do with dbol on a cycle. Can some one please clarify?
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Oral only cycles are always a bad idea.
That being said, from what I have read a "pulse" dbol only cycle is the way to go if your dead set on doing oarals only. In theory since dbol has a short half life and most of your natty T production occurs at night, it is possible to take it first thing in the morning and only on gym days with minimal shutdown... and of course minimal gains.
I have never tried something like this and don't have plans to. Why? because fuck it, if your going to put one steroid in your body why not put two?
Bottom line is don't do it without some type of test base such qs test-cyp or e. I wouldnt use prop with dbol. I would use prop if i was using tbol as that would be more beneficial for a cut.
disagree with all comments. yes of course an injectable such as test would be a better option, BUT dbol only cycles are not so bad..
guys get so focused on the water retention, that at the end of the dbol cycle when the water retention is no longer there, that all there gains have gone! all your gains havent gone! you may gain 10-20lb on a dbol cycle, and yes i agree, that almost all of that weight is water, or at least 3/4 of the weight is water, BUT that doesnt mean that muscle tissue wasnt built beneath the water, because it was! dbol will help with protein synthesis just the same as test will. having said that, i dont recommend orals only, BUT dont listen to the bull about you will lose everything, because its not necessarily true.
Exactly man! I agree with your logic. It's like a strong form of creatine. Water retention is caused but after you're off the creatine you've still made some muscle gains
Is this supposed to be funny? Troll?
Not really, it's true.
WTF.. do you realise that creatine is a supplement and cannot fuck up your HPTA and d/bol is a hormone that could potentially fuck you up for the rest of your life if not used correctly!
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tread-mSo when "you" disagree with "all" comments I guess that means he can take one persons word for it or "everyone" elses? I'm going with raw numbers and combined overall experience here in the masses brother...lol. its this, to run an oral only and certainly without high end experience as to compounds and reactions and increased binders in shbg which are what follow estrogen around and eat up test faster than you or I eat protein is a horrible idea. Ok so could I run a dbol only and have a chance of some mild success knowing what I know about all the things that are going on and involved as binders increase and water comes on and estradial spikes, maybe, could you, maybe...can a newb who knows literally nothing about the aspects of whats going on in the body...HIGHLY UNLIKELY. It sets up a failure pattern, they don't know wha they are doing usually and it comes down to sound advice from people such as you or I who have been there. We know for a fact a 12 week test run is very unlikely in a younger person to heavily spike binders and we know with proper pct the new persons chances of quality from this cycle are a thousand times greater than that from an oral only so we guide them in a direction of success given not their knowledge, their lack of knowledge. Dbol only cycle has a failure rate of near 100% when talking about salvaging anything you gained. Its not about what you gained its about what occured in the body during the gain that will fight against your success here. Its the same reason closing a cycle with dbol is a horrible idea, you set up negative responses in the body which fight the ability to keep your gains. In. opening a cycle with dbol you usually have at least 8 weeks to correct those negatives before the cycle close. If I tell someone heres a compound that will give a 99% success rate or heres one with a 1% success rate which is the smart choice? Dbol is shit with test IMO because it does not have a predisposition to positive internal response in hormones or binders that follow those hormones so I'm a prop kick or tbol or anything with positive influence to "quality". Now the kiddo's love it because you blow up and need a bigger shirt for a while while you are bloated and all their little gym buds keep saying "bro, you are swole outta control fasho!" Lol heres the other thing you and I may know that 1 in a thousand newbs know, how to diet properly for success and the dirty little secret that diet is really all that matters if you want long term success. having said all that, dbol and new users to gear has a fail blog rate of about 101%. The extra percent was for the few that had to be hit in the head twice to figure it out. Did you gin a few pounds of muscle, yes. Will you keep it for a year, no. To promote orals only is a nasty habit for them and an irresponsible habit for someone with experience to give.
and the over the counter stuff such as methylTest or whatever they are calling it nowadays is a better option?
the new guy who has never done a cycle in his life, who cannot be encouraged to go the safer injectable route will ultimately try a oral only cycle first. I wasnt saying dbol only cycles are good, im just saying they are not as bad as what everyone makes them out to be. My first cycle was dbol only, and i can bring a dozen guys to this forum right now, 2 of which are pro's that will tell you the first cycle they did was an oral only. Ok, i concede, its not ideal, but its a fairly decent introductory into what steroids are all about, how they make you feel whilst you are on them and the changes that occur and i disagree about the failure pattern,worked for me
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Fucking hell, your like the steroid Yoda! I love this.
The steroidology is strong with this one.
Its obvious ..LISTEN TO TREAD.
also run a damn test base..how hard is two injects a week..not hard at all..similar to your dick after oral only cycle!
I did a dbol and fake test cycle before. Lost all my gains! Was pissed! Don't do it. Wish the test was real...
Like hrdbdyGRRL said an oral only cycle is a bad idea. The stress on the liver due to toxicity is playing a very dangerous game and not having some type of test base will surely shut you down. A very simple cycle that I have had great gains from is
dbol kick start
test throughout
dbol on the tail end of the cycle
Good luck!
AnonIf you run an oral only it will shut down your natty test production.. you may feel pretty good for three maybe four weeks (generous estimates by the way) however, once your test production is shut down you will pretty much feel like complete shit, no energy, no drive, depressed.. etc.. furthermore a with a dbol only cycle most of your gains will most certainly be lost once you come off it.. it is in the end a waste of time, waste of money, and will be quite an unpleasant experience.
I have made the mistake before of running an oral by itself. Never again. Even if runs a low dose, its better than nothing.
No1I have gained and kept on dbol only
i know with the rabid popularity of prohormones this day in age in the world of the after work special bodybuilder it now has lifters wondering if they can take traditional orals without the procedure of having to "pin". this in all cases is still a bad idea. it does in turn shut down test production all the same. I am one of those guys who have taken prohos and now i look back on it i feel it was a mistake and wish i would have just ran the classic test 10-12 week cycle. that first cycle is always the best and one you can never get back. if you decide to run something start with the basics, do it right then later add a oral to your test base.
tread-mI'm a firm believer in the fact that if you only want one steroid in the cycle it has to be test. I personally see test as the base for all cycles knowing shutdown is occuring. Never an oral only even though people claim to gain, it can't be kept even with proper pct and protocol to diet and training. Test has to be in the mix ...IMO
yes doing any oral on its own is bad they shut down your test production, test needs to be in every cycle
yeah but doesent injectables shut down your natural production as well? Whats the difference of shutting them down through orals or injectables your still supplying your body with a synthetic version of test? I am just asking this because one of my mates says he is going to be doing a dbol only cycle.
there is only one test other steriods might act like it or on paper look like them but they are not so that is why test has to be part of every cycle and if your taking other steriods that shut down your test than you are going to feel like shit and it wont be good