Curious about running a cycle while on Clomid
I'm curious about running a cycle while on climid. Im 24, 5'10', 170lbs, and my doctor has me on 50mg of Clomid every other day to treat low testosterone. I was on TRT via pinning for a while but it just didn't seem feasible for the long term. My blood work in March came back with my Test at a steady 840. Triglycerides and cholesterol were high but he said that they were not high enough to cause any immediate concern.
Now I want to enhance my physique more than I am able to with working out alone. Im not interested in putting on too many pounds but I want long lean muscle. I am looking for a fit, 'male model' physique but have been unsucessful through lifting alone.
Against pretty much everything I have read on this formI prefer to run purely orals but I may be able to be convinced to do otherwise.
I would like to run a cycle of turinabol followed by a cycle of Anavar. The actual details I have no figured out.
Can anyone shed some light on my options while on Clomid?
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AnonI dont want to get to off topic on this one guys but i have a question.... What is a normal healthy 24 year old males test levels supposed to be at?
Granted seeing a Dr is the only way to get definite answers. Normal adult values range from 250 to 1,100 ng/dL. So anywhere in between there I suppose. His being on the high side in this case.
AnonPC, thank you for being so informative..it so mind blogging and interesting at the same time how a male from age 25-30 years of age can naturally have such a huge difference in their natural test production. It blows my mind.. I am going to call doctor tomorrow and get into him asap... I would like to know where i am at..
Thank you again
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkNo problem, that's the scary thing about steroids once you start you have disrupted your natural production so if you are not educated and careful in your approach and recovery you'll be sticking a needle in your ass for the rest of your life. I know some think TRT and B&C is the cool thing to due. Me, when not on cycle of course, take pride in my own natural test production. There will come a time when it will be a possibility, hopefully not for another 20 + years.
AnonYes i agree with you a 100 percent.. i have run 6 cycles now over the years all with test in them and have taken all the proper measurements as best i could in terms of running an AI and running PCT's correctly and waiting at least the time i was on to take that amount of time off. But still i have thought about TRT and as you said i also take pride that my natural test is still functioning well and i have not had any problems yet from running AAS's but back to TRT, there are so many people as you said who think it is cool or not a big deal to be on TRT forever and if the person is comfortable and responsible enough to be able to manage running TRT for the rest of their life im happy for them. I personally am just not one who wants to have to be in the position to where i have to be on a TRT schedule for the rest of my life at least not at my age now. I would be concerned to be honest if i had to begin TRT because now your in charge of your production of test or your synthetic test. I also would not look forward to having to pin ED for the rest of my life. I know of course the more cycles i run the more at risk i put myself out there but i try to be as mindful as possible about effects down the road and not think only about the here and now and the crazy results i will get much quicker but using AAS'S. Lastly if i ever did have to begin TRT i would like you said, want to not be starting it for at least 20 more years..
Exactly, reasonable cycles, in length and the compounds you choose and the amounts you take. Keep in within reason, along with proper PCT and time off you should be good. I had a couple early cycles where I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but fortunately I didn't ruin myself. I am a lot more careful in my approach. +1 for seeing the big picture.
yes and genetics play a huge role in recovery also, i remember abusing the hell out of roids a few yrz back, id pin everything, pop orals etc that 12 week cycle lasted 7 months, all types of compounds, i ran ais, but oneday id had enough of pinning, of to the dr, shut down hard! brutally! i ran a very aggressive 6 week pct, took 3 weeks off the ran another standard 4 week pct, back too dr, all good on the test, estro, and fertility side boom, then my mate.... one 14 week deca cycle..... trt.
Scary for sure. You could have easily gave in and went TRT, but blasted through that shit. That's why we're here to keep others from going down that road and possibly not being able to recover, like your friend.
exactly brother... the good bad and ugly theres someone on here with experience in it all, i have found a way now that i respond too nicely, minimal shutdown and pct is a breeze, i run good pcts and cycle lengths good, i do run alot of gear whilst on, but only 2 cycles a year with pct. its the best way.
AnonFlash it is just like any another thing you do in life. You find what best works for you and yours needs and then you live by it.. The problem is though that most people are not as smart as you and even when they have come to a great happy medium in their life, they still feel the need the test waters over and over, which ends up 90 percent of the time becoming disasters after awhile. But it is great to hear that you personally have your happy medium down pat!!!
brother, its all about learning and experience, what works for some may not work for others, you need to learn your own body, we can read, preach and parrot all we want but its just a guide, learning whats rite for our own body, is the best way, i only learnt from trial and error, with alot of fk ups on the way.
Anonohh Thank you man,, the info you give is the real GIFT, the karma is just a number on eroids ya Know, but thank so very much
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI'm just paying forward what all my brothers here have instilled in me.
AnonAs i will begin to do the same just as you have for me.. Its an on going wonderful cycle when used correctly!!!
Dude your test levels on clomid are at 800? Forget the cycle! Your body is primed for growth! You're the same height but weigh 30lbs less than me. Just keep pushing dude
Get your ass down the supermarket and buy everything in sight........... eat like a horse!.. thats my advice here.
Nearly forgot!..... join a gym and get a feel for lugging some heavy iron!
FUCK PILLS!!.......... BLOOD, SWEAT and TEARS is the cure for you!
What was the cause of your low T?
AnonPC, Sorry to bother you with anyone question on this but as you said 250-1.100 is the range for a healthy 25 year old male. And he is 800 which is high why would how is it scientifically possible that he is suffering from Low T. Now matter how you wrap your head around it,, It makes zero sense what so ever
That's why I said it seems fishy, if you notice the OP has not posted once. Classic sign of just looking for a co sign. He'll return if he gets that. Hopefully no one gives him that.
Not sure what a co sign is nor am I concerned with it.
To make a long story short, I has suffered from depression, low energy, mood swings my entire life. I am physically active, am pretty fucking good-looking, and was having plenty of sex. Nothing changed. I decided to do my own research and discovered that low-t could be a cause of my symptoms. I decided to do a full blood panel in July 2012. My test levels came out to 254. I began seeing an endocrinologist to see what the fuck was going on. He required another blood panel so I did. Came back 289. He then decided to prescribe me topical test to see what would happen. Over the course of 6 months my test level increase to around 400 then stood stagnant. In January 2013 the topical stopped working. My test levels fell to 215 and then 180. From there he prescribed TRT. I ran that until Nov. 2013. During this summer I found a specialist in male fertility based out of San Francisco. Great doc to say the least. He looked at all of the blood work I had done over the last 15 months and concluded that he did not think that I ever really needed to be put on TRT as currently was, plus I hated knowing that I would have to pin for the rest of my life. He had me ween off the TRT through November as well as taking 100mg of climid ever other day for 20 days. After that I was prescribed 50mg clomid every other day. My last result in March was as stated. 840.
That is where I stand today.
Thanks for the background. I would say with where your numbers are at right now, I wouldn't see the need for any compounds. You are at 840 which is good. I would imagine that if in the future you did decide to cycle that you would still need an exogenous form of testosterone. I'm not to familiar with HRT, but I wouldn't Imagine that Clomid alone would be enough to keep levels in check, maybe someone else can elaborate more, but Anavar and Tbol will still shut you down. In short adding an oral on top of Clomid to me seems like a waste.
If you want to achieve your goals get your diet and training on point. With your test level you should be able to easily put on 10-15 pounds of muscle if youre eating enough and dedicated to your training regimen. Dont look for a magic pill. The magic is in your determination.
Going to study up and get on top of both.
Thanks
Low T at 800+? OP could easily put that on if he would just put forth the effort like you said.
If your test is in the steady 800's and you dont wanna put on to much size as you said just eat man! Work up a meal plan and a routine and stick with it.
Yea my appetite needs to grow. For some reason I have never been able to eat a ton of calories. Im working on that now.
Its a little tough in the beginning but you'll adjust. Ask almost anybody here about daily food intake and they would probly all tell you when they 1st started tryin to get 6 meals a day in or whatever your intake allows you it can be hard at first. Look up some of vikings shakes they are a calorie and protein bomb on a glass.
I'm not an expert on clomid use for trt or on how to cycle while on a clomid program, so I will leave that to others, but I am curious why you ended up on trt at such a young age. Did you already cycle and screw up your hpta?
I also agree with NoX that 24 is too young and that oral only cycles are ill advised. But without knowing more about your cycle history and how you got to this point it is difficult to advise you.
But to offer up a guess, if you can't gain enough mass and lean out to reach your very modest goals with test at a steady 800 and at age 24, then either your diet or exercise program, or both need some work.
I'm with you, this seems fishy. Lots of questions to be answered here.
Wheels and Pin_Cushion see my answer above.
Looks like I need to work on my lifting program and eating...
Normally 24 is too young to advise. But I will say this:
Oral only cycles is not worth the benefit versus risk ratio. You will destroy your liver and not achieve the gains that you want.
If you cannot achieve your goals with diet and exercise size alone.... Then you definitely need to spend a lot more time researching blasts and cruising.
GET THE IDEA THAT ORALS ARE SAFER THAN INJECTABLES OUT OF YOUR HEAD
READ READ READ UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHY TESTOSTERONE IS THE BASE OF ALL CYCLES.
Anonx 2 on all of your statements above... Just to go a little more into detail in regards to people thinking orals are safer then injectables which you said above is ass backward and people need to get that out of their head.
When orals are taken into the body the AAS compound in the oral form goes through your system twice meaning it hits the liver twice. You get the oral compound in your system and then you have to flush it out so double the damage internally.
Injectables however are injected directly into the blood and go through your system one time.
I am not advising at your age that you take any AAS'S. I just wanted to give you a brief description/ understanding of orals and injectable's..
This was also adressed to island being he wrote this forum and was seeking advice.
Thanks for the response. Looks like I have a lot of studying up to do. I'll just stick around the form for a few years grabbing what knowledge I can and possibly eventually take the dive in blasting and cruising.