Thanks for for replys. I won't be injecting, to many complications. Guess i'll bin what I've got here, and carry on as before.

Hmm thanks for your comments and fast..

Guess what I want to know a reliable source, for when I'm ready to get some more var.

Thanks for the replys. My stats are 40 years old ,5'8. 85kg,15% BF endormophic I've been training with weights all my adult life. I competed in my early teens and at that time wasn't prepared to go on the juice. Ive been back into training on a bony building routine for last 2 years. Previously I did 3-4 years doing triathlons. I work away from home a lot Monday to Fridays.
Training is as follows. It can all depend on the gym I'm in. Every week I'm in a different gym.
Day 1 legs, heavy squats 4 sets, leg press or hack squat 4 sets, thigh ext 4 sets
Day 2 chest bench press4 sets dumbbell incline 4 sets, flys 4 sets cable cross over or dips.
Triceps. Close grip press 4 sets dips 4 sets, cable push downs
Day3 back dead lift heavy 4 sets chins 50, cable row4 sets.
Biceps, barbell curls 4 sets, seated dumbbell 4 sets, hamer curls or preacher curls.4 sets
Day 4 shoulders military press4 sets, smith machine press 4 sets, bent over raises or cable pulls 4 sets
Abbs various sit ups crunches, legraise, etc
Day 5 rest.
Depending on where I am staying hotel etc I will do morning fasted cardio, run (HIIT) or swim. 2-3 mornings a week.
Dead lift 450lbs for 4 reps
Bench 330lbs for 3-4 reps
Squat 440 for 3 reps (500lbs for 1 rep.)
Diet is very tight,last 6 months i have started Writing down everything I eat daily.2300-2500 cals a day. 200 grams of carbs, 200g protein, 50 fat. Chicken, fish almonds, natural yogurt, veg etc etc.few protein shakes.

As stated I had a month on some var last year and it really helped me, it certainly helped me past a plateau I was in. This latest stuff I have just isn't having any effect.