+ 1 17-alpha steroids in injection form
Would like to get some knowledge and experience on this unique formulations or injection Wini, Androl, Turinabo, SuperDrol etc ....
The family of oral steroids (17-alpha derivates) was developed to enable more practical approach in clinical treatment - The oral route simply enables long run treatment without getting to the clinic to get the same treatment via injection. These 17-alpha steroids also offer some unique effects compared to the ester steroid versions - The effects of Anadrol, wini or Halotestn can't be mimicked by steroid esters. More ever, the 17-alpha steroids posses a distinct synergistic effect when combined with the ester based steroids - We're all aware to the synergistic effect of Dball or Anadrol with testosterone or Deca etc' ...
With a proper formulation most of the 17-alpha steroids may be administrated via injection as you know and see above. The injection versions of the 17-alpha steroids was shown in vivo to offer even more potent effect then the oral version, so you may experience much greater effect when injecting a 17-alpha steroid then taking it orally. This scientific literature is an example for a clinical trial which supports this claim - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11041505
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Rustyhookerhttps://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/stanozolol
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3668427/
https://www.illicitdrugsresearch.eu/2012/07/28/facts-about-winstrol-stan...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanozolol
Lowering SBGH, increasing effectiveness of other steroids, dht , drying agent, show competition prep drug, burns fat, etc etc etc. Makes skin thinner on comp prep. Strength. Favorite drug in track and field events...no water gain, power, speed
What about all of the studies that prove beyond all doubt winny causes muscular degeneration over time.
So; at first makes you 'bigger' makes you stronger then makes you smaller makes you weaker, ruptures tendons etc? (the debate from a winny fan's side of course, should be about duration I suppose?).
Or do we just look at one side of the coin around here and send the kiddies on their way?!
I do think though, you hit the nail on the head WRT application; Track/Field... for those who like it.
RustyhookerMy buddy eats winny like its M&M's. Hes only 265 now but 25yrs back stood on the olympia stage. Still rocked. Still out there promoting and training.
Id chalk up muscle loss to the same lazy crap we see daily on ANY type of gear.
Intelligent conversation as always!
RustyhookerRight?!
As always, thats where theres so many types of steroids. Because not everything was designed to fit one person. Same with all medications, its up to the Dr or You to figure out what works. I love winny. I dont like squeaky joints. Oh ya, npp or deca fixes that PLUS you g et the dht nor combo thats been in pro sports for 60ish years.
Exactly right!
Totally agree one size doesnt fit all. Hence comments on application.
So you're saying; Winny is great at drying you out, but you dont like joints drying out, so you use something to create water retention to help dried out joints? Presume you have a test in there too as thats what is needed to create the water retention when you add deca or npp to a mix, given they are dry estered compounds.
And you dont get how contradictory that is? At least from a prep perspective? (one of the applications you mentioned)
You also think Winny has been used in sports for 60ish years?! It has not been around that long.
But I will give you this, its definitely one of the more commonly tested for AAS and primarily in athletic oriented sports like track/sprint and swimming or now MMA seemingly.
Rustyhookerhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanozolol
Created in 1962.... so 57 years. Close to 60 because i rounded. My error.
Glad that you went off rail, offtrack and off point. The op challenged your reply below. And so far the posted medical proofs show that is has merit in the roid using world.
However its chosen to be mixed, blended or used that IS the point with 57 years of continued use. So when the ifbb, npc and gym rats start getting tested... cough cough cough ...never....then maybe someone like another balco simply reworks it again so it does not show on testing.
Regardless, the proofs are posted.....
so now you think that from where it was created, it was used instantly in sports as a PED?!
umkayyy!
Yep there has been proof posted here, just not what you think!
Check out what happens when you actually read...... paragraph 1
RustyhookerYoure completely right bruh. After 60 years and millions of athletes misusing a steroid. That just solved the mysteries of science. Im sure after reading this that everyone on this site will just throw away the orals.
And here i thought that millions of steroid users going back to 1935 were right. Im really stunned that all the millions of people misuse roids. Lmao
Wow! I think you just set a record for dumbest comments on eroids!
Congrats!
Oh yeh buddy - one of the most effective steroids of all time! Another of Arnolds favs along with Dbol. Just wish it wasn't so drying then it would be an absolute staple for me.
RustyhookerOne of the old regulars talked about winny on his npp cutters. Npp squashed the dry joints. I tried it and it felt good on that run so maybe will try again. Plus the dht nor combo is fun.
Not every chem is for everyone....
Alphamale500One thing you can be sure of, is if you use misuse either form of 17 alpha derivatives they'll cause lots of damage to your liver!
RustyhookerSo does aspirins, booze, otc meds.....
This study shows nothing other than Winny is useless for anything other than excessive nitrogen retention...... in dogs.
So what's the point?
When I did use winny, I stopped injecting the inj version quick fast and started drinking it. Loads pain, no gain.
?! So what's the point ?!
The study tested nitrogen retention, which is the distinct marker for anabolism, and it was proven to be quite effective ;)
What it also showed is that clearly the injection version shows a superior nitrogen retention, hence more anabolic per dosage (And probably in general).
I haven't posted it to advocate on this or that version, just to show some data and have your opinion
Absolute nonsense.
That study showed massive nitrogen retention with, for example, zero weight change.
So where is the muscle?
Same with dbol, proven to cause ridiculous nitrogen retention with proven zero true muscle gains.
Im not saying it doesnt have any true anabolic myotropic growth action (the way dbol has none) because i do not know, but unless you can prove it does (bearing in mind it is a dht) then nitrogen retention is a terrible marker to use, and makes the study you posted sorta pointless. (Nitrogen; baloon goes up, baloon goes down)
I mean.... if we are literally just talking about some sort of method to bloat us in the right places (temporary aesthetics), or a strength tool or whatever, we gotta call it for what it is... then we can talk applications etc... but pretending winny is some sort of anabolic machine????? Cmon man!
Brother - the study checked this very specific parameter (nitrogen retention) which is a distinct marker for anabolism, and is the indicator to be tested on any scientific literature which examines anabolism. More ever this study shows superior anabolism by the injection route, which is what this post is about
We all know anyhow that Wini is an effective anabolic agent, and many links above by other vets here show this.
However like you said there are other parameter to be evaluated when we asses the effects of an anabolic steroid, but this is certainly a main pillar (nitrogen retention) in the evaluation of its anabolic impact
As I said, nitrogen retention does not necessarily equate to (significant) anabolism. Dbol is the proof of that.
Look fella, we did get a little off topic (if you only want to talk about nitrogen retention), BUT... did you not read this in paragraph 1 of the study???...........
You have actually posted evidence that goes against what you are purporting here in the forums.
That said, I'd say there must be a study that somewhat supports what you are saying in humans though...... is there???? As it was studied on humans with muscle wasting. In fact, one of the references in your posted study is to such a study:
"stanozolol in patients with muscular dystrophy increases muscle protein synthesis"
I can't find that one, but am sure there must be something positive in it, for those with MD at least...from there you could look at actual true-muscle effects, or AAS +
Side note:
LOL@"other vets". That is a fella who hasn't read anything he has posted, and often post proof against what he says on the forums!
I must admit Stano Injectable is very effective for protein synthesis and is uniquely known to be better than the tabs. Problem is it can end up being the most painful of all the oral injects depending on the crystal size and if it ends up sneaking into a vein its the worst feeling ever for the next 2 hours. Eventually I found it just wasn't worth the risk together with the harsh joint drying and muscle cramping.
I have a tonne of experience with both, each has its pro's and con's and overall in the long run neither is more effective than the other if you were able to keep running the tabs as long as the injectable form. I'd never use the injectable version as a pre workout - it hits nowhere near as hard and fast as tabs do and provides not nearly as much power such as with compounds like Dbol.
The injectable version shines when pinning regularly such as everyday in the barrel with your Test prop etc, they often act like an estered compound and can be run for weeks at a time without touching your appetite or causing any discomfort in the stomach like tabs do. Overall you will get much more anabolism and mass with the injectable as it stays in the blood for around a day and definately builds up over time where as tabs def no longer than 12hrs. With a well dosed oil at 100mg/ml you only need .4ml in the barrel also so its not really an extra hinder. Tabs are still awesome though to use around the 4 week mark or as a pre workout.
I prefer orals for most of these compounds. Why would i shoot 50mg DBOL when I can chew a couple of tabs!
Reforvit-B definitely seemed stronger than 50mg oral Dbol....I figure since you've been in this scene for a minute you probably remember that stuff.
RustyhookerPersonally i run a complex stack and prefer orals over high pip pins. Currently on cycle with ed pins plus hgh.....16weeks!
I chew my orals and sublingual. Grapefruit juice medically proven to speed absorption. Orals have their place imo
Looks like I need more grapefruit juice!
RustyhookerIf you check, youll see many medications made for slow uptake, time released, warn loudly about no grapefruit juice. Duchain posted on it decades ago so it seemed a regular deal, common.
The things learned are amazing!